Squaring both sides of an equation- extraneous solutions

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The discussion revolves around the concept of extraneous solutions that arise when squaring both sides of an equation. The original poster seeks clarification on why squaring can lead to solutions that do not satisfy the original equation, using the example of the equation involving a square root.

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  • Participants explore the nature of squaring both sides of an equation and its implications, particularly how it can introduce extraneous solutions. There are discussions about the loss of information when squaring and how both positive and negative roots can lead to ambiguity.

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Participants are actively engaging with the concept, questioning the assumptions behind squaring operations and discussing the conditions under which extraneous solutions arise. Some guidance has been provided regarding reversible operations and the differences between even and odd powers.

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There is an emphasis on the importance of understanding the principal square root and the implications of squaring in the context of real numbers versus complex numbers. The original poster expresses confusion regarding textbook explanations, indicating a need for clearer understanding.

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Homework Statement


Looking for an explanation as to why, when we square both sides of an equation, we can get extraneous solutions. That is, why can we square both sides of an equation, and sometimes the solutions we get are not true.

In my book, it gets a little wordy and doesn't make a lot of sense. It says that "If both sides of an equation are raised to the same power, all solutions of the original equation are among the solutions of the new equation. This does not say that raising both sides of an equation to a power yields an equivalent solution."
This makes no sense.

Homework Equations


An example:
$$\sqrt {4 - x} = x - 2$$
$$\left(\sqrt{4 - x}\right)^2 = \left(x - 2\right)^2$$
$$x = 0 ~or~ x = 3$$

The Attempt at a Solution


0 Results in a false statement where checked, and 3 results in a true statement.

Solution is {3}

But why does 0 result as an extraneous solution? We squared both sides of the equation, leaving it balanced.
 
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DS2C said:
sometimes the solutions we get are not true.
Raising to an even power loses information. Both x and -x turn into x2. x=1 has one solution, x2=1 has two.
 
DS2C said:

Homework Statement


Looking for an explanation as to why, when we square both sides of an equation, we can get extraneous solutions. That is, why can we square both sides of an equation, and sometimes the solutions we get are not true.

In my book, it gets a little wordy and doesn't make a lot of sense. It says that "If both sides of an equation are raised to the same power, all solutions of the original equation are among the solutions of the new equation. This does not say that raising both sides of an equation to a power yields an equivalent solution."
This makes no sense.

Homework Equations


An example:$$\sqrt {4 - x} = x - 2$$ $$\left(\sqrt{4 - x}\right)^2 = \left(x - 2\right)^2$$ $$x = 0 ~or~ x = 3$$

The Attempt at a Solution


0 Results in a false statement where checked, and 3 results in a true statement.

Solution is {3}

But why does 0 result as an extraneous solution? We squared both sides of the equation, leaving it balanced.
So, you might ask, "Why do we have this solution, ##\ x=0\,,\ ## which turns out to be extraneous?"

Plugging in ##\ x=0\ ## gives ##\ \sqrt{4}\ ## on the left hand side. There are two numbers which give 4 upon being squared, 2 and −2. If you pick the −2, then you match the right hand side. However, the radical symbol indicates that we only want the principal square root and that's what makes this solution be extraneous

Notice that squaring either of the following equations gives the same result.
## \sqrt {4 - x} = x - 2 ##

## -\sqrt {4 - x} = x - 2 ##​

##\ x=0\ ## is the solution to the second of these equations..
 
Let me see if I understand-
If we take ##2^2##, and ##\left(-2\right)^2##, we get 4 in both cases. However we don't know if 2 or -2 was used to get this 4 as it could have been either. Is this correct?
 
DS2C said:
Let me see if I understand-
If we take ##2^2##, and ##\left(-2\right)^2##, we get 4 in both cases. However we don't know if 2 or -2 was used to get this 4 as it could have been either. Is this correct?
Yes.
 
Ok thanks for the help guys. Very well explained.
 
If the operation you apply to both sides of the equation are reversible, then you won't get extaneous solutions. So adding the same quantity to both sides, subtracting the same quantify from both sides, multiplying both sides by the same nonzero number are examples of these kinds of operations. These are all reversible operations -- operations that are one-to-one, meaning that if the operations are represented as functions, these functions have inverses.

Squaring both sides is not an invertible operation, for the reasons already given. haruspex mentioned raising both sides to an even power as an operation that isn't invertible. If you raise both sides to an odd power, such as by cubing both sides, that's an operation that is invertible, provided we limit the discussion to the real numbers. For example, the equations ##x = 2## and ##x^3 = 8## are equivalent, for real numbers x. (If we also allow complex numbers as solutions, then the second equation has two more solutions than the first.)
 
Mark44 said:
If the operation you apply to both sides of the equation are reversible, then you won't get extaneous solutions. So adding the same quantity to both sides, subtracting the same quantify from both sides, multiplying both sides by the same nonzero number are examples of these kinds of operations. These are all reversible operations -- operations that are one-to-one, meaning that if the operations are represented as functions, these functions have inverses.

Squaring both sides is not an invertible operation, for the reasons already given. haruspex mentioned raising both sides to an even power as an operation that isn't invertible. If you raise both sides to an odd power, such as by cubing both sides, that's an operation that is invertible, provided we limit the discussion to the real numbers. For example, the equations ##x = 2## and ##x^3 = 8## are equivalent, for real numbers x. (If we also allow complex numbers as solutions, then the second equation has two more solutions than the first.)
Move to my university and teach my math classes.
 
DS2C said:
Move to my university and teach my math classes.
I'll be down your way next week, but just for a visit. I'm already teaching part-time at a CC in Washington state.
 

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