SR - Time dilation, space-time diagram, and radio signals

In summary: From the earth frame we see her travelling to her destination, on to the next one, turning around and travelling back. The whole trip will take more time than she calculates because she doesn’t remain in one reference frame for the whole trip, so she will not be able to use her simple formulas for the whole trip.In summary, in this conversation, two equally old sisters Alice and Barbara leave Earth simultaneously in opposite directions with velocities and distances measured in the Earth system. They travel to stars with different speeds and distances, then turn around and head back to Earth with the same speeds. In Question A, it is asked how long it takes for both sisters to return to Earth from the observer's perspective and to draw a space-time diagram of
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Homework Statement


P.S.: I'm not sure if it is allowed to ask multi-part questions.

Two equally old sisters Alice and Barbara leave Earth simultaneously in opposite directions. The following velocities and distances have been measured in the Earth system. Alice travels with a speed of ##v_A = 4/5c## to a star α, 4 light-years away, and Barbara with a speed ##v_B = 3/5c## to a star β, 3 light-years away. The moment the sisters arrive at their destinations, they turn around and head back to Earth with the same speeds they left Earth.

Question A:
After how many years (as seen by the observer from Earth) do both sisters return? Draw a space-time diagram of the Earth system of the trips of Alice and Barbara.

Question B:
How long does the entire trip take in Alice's frame? Similarly for Barbara? Who is older when returning? Also calculate the distance travelled.

Question C:
The sisters have agreed to sent each other a monthly radio signal. Exactly when Alice wants to turn around at star ##\alpha##, she receives a radio signal. When has Barbara sent this signal (as measured by her clock) and how many messages has Alice already received?

Homework Equations


Lorentz-boost
$$\begin{pmatrix}
\gamma & -\beta\gamma & 0 & 0\\
-\beta\gamma & \gamma & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 &1
\end{pmatrix}$$

Length contraction
##L' = \gamma^{-1}L##

Distance formula
##\Delta v = \frac{\Delta s}{\Delta t}##

Relative velocity
##w = \frac{|v_A - v_B|}{1-(v_A\cdot v_B)/c^2}##

The Attempt at a Solution


Part A: [/B]I believe this can simply be down using Newtonian mechanics. So ##s_B/v_B = t_B = \frac{3}{3/5c} = 5## years. Times two to get the distance and back: so ##10## years. Similarly, ##\frac{4}{4/5c} = 5##, hence, also ##10## years in total for Alice.
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Part B:
Using the Lorentz-boost we find that Alice measures

$$
\begin{pmatrix}
\gamma & -\beta\gamma & 0 & 0\\
-\beta\gamma & \gamma & 0 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 1 & 0\\
0 & 0 & 0 &1
\end{pmatrix}
\begin{pmatrix}
10\\
8\\
0\\
0
\end{pmatrix}
=
\begin{pmatrix}
10\gamma - 8\beta\gamma\\
-10\beta\gamma + 8\gamma\\
0\\
0
\end{pmatrix}
=
\begin{pmatrix}
6\\
0\\
0\\
0
\end{pmatrix}
$$

Hence, Alice experiences ##6## years having gone by, but she hasn't traveled any distance. Because she "sees" herself standing still, and the star moving towards her? However, she undergoes an acceleration, so should realize it is the her moving? Shouldn't it be, using length-contraction ##L' = L\sqrt{1-\beta^2} = 8\sqrt{9/25} = 24/5 = 4.8## ly. What am I doing wrong with using the boost?

Barbara measures (using the same method) ##8## years having gone by, and also ##0## light-years travelled. Also, with length-contraction, shouldn't this be ##6\sqrt{16/25} = 4.8## ly? Also, Barbara would be older, as her trip took ##8## years, compared to Alice's ##6## years. This result confuses me, since in part A we have seen that they should arrive (and left) simultaneously: same time, same place. So no shenanigans should happen with relativity of simultaneity? Hence they should be equally old?

Part C:

We first need to find their relative velocity. Which is
##w = \frac{|v_A - v_B|}{1-(v_A\cdot v_B)/c^2} = \frac{4/5c-(-3/5c)}{1 - \frac{-\frac{4c}{5}\frac{3c}{5}}{c^2}} = \frac{\frac{7c}{5}}{\frac{37}{25}} = \frac{35}{37}c##
Is there a way to do this using Lorentz-boosts?

Since Alice is the one who receives the signals, we shall look at it from her frame of reference.
It takes her ##3## years to reach her destination. Hence, the signal had to travel ##\frac{35}{37}c\cdot 3 = 2.8..## ly. So the signal had to have been sent approximately ##2.8## years ago -both for Alice and Barbara?-. I can't figure out how to determine the amount of signals already sent..
 
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PaRaXeRoX said:
Hence, Alice experiences 666 years having gone by, but she hasn't traveled any distance. Because she "sees" herself standing still, and the star moving towards her?

Your calculation with the boost is fine. The problem is this remarkable statement that because she is in the car and does all of the calculating in her reference frame she somehow doesn’t travel. That is wrong. We are always in our own reference frame and by your logic none of us could ever travel anywhere relativistically or otherwise! She sees herself moving against the field of “fixed” stars. She can determine how far she’s travelled. However she will measure with a length contracted yardstick.
 

1. How does time dilation occur in special relativity?

Time dilation occurs in special relativity because of the fact that the speed of light is constant for all observers. As an object moves closer to the speed of light, time slows down for that object relative to a stationary observer. This is due to the stretching of space-time, which causes time to pass at different rates for objects moving at different speeds.

2. What is a space-time diagram and how is it used in special relativity?

A space-time diagram is a visual representation of the relationship between space and time in special relativity. It typically shows the position of an object in space on the vertical axis and the passage of time on the horizontal axis. This diagram is used to illustrate the effects of time dilation and length contraction on objects moving at different speeds.

3. What is the formula for calculating time dilation in special relativity?

The formula for time dilation in special relativity is t' = t / √(1 - v²/c²), where t' is the time experienced by the moving object, t is the time experienced by a stationary observer, v is the velocity of the moving object, and c is the speed of light.

4. How does time dilation affect the aging process?

Time dilation affects the aging process by causing time to pass at different rates for objects moving at different speeds. This means that an object moving at high speeds will experience time passing more slowly, and therefore will age slower compared to a stationary observer. This phenomenon has been observed in experiments with atomic clocks on airplanes and satellites.

5. How do radio signals demonstrate the effects of time dilation in special relativity?

Radio signals can demonstrate the effects of time dilation in special relativity because they travel at the speed of light. This means that the time it takes for a radio signal to reach a receiver is affected by the time dilation of the object sending the signal. This is why GPS satellites, which are moving at high speeds, need to account for time dilation in order to accurately determine the position of objects on Earth.

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