SR Vectors & Tensors: Transformations Explained

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The discussion revolves around the transformation properties of 4-vectors and tensors in special relativity (SR), particularly whether they transform according to the laws of differential geometry under any coordinate transformation or specifically under Lorentz transformations. The scope includes theoretical aspects of SR, differential geometry, and the implications of different definitions of spacetime.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether 4-vectors and tensors in SR transform as tangent vectors and tensors under any transformation or only under Lorentz transformations.
  • Another participant asserts that if SR is defined as a smooth manifold, then 4-vectors like 4-velocity belong to the tangent space, allowing the application of differential geometry principles.
  • It is noted that in Minkowskian spacetime, Lorentz transformations are those that leave the manifold invariant.
  • A participant emphasizes that the transformation of tensors according to the tensor transformation law is not inherently linked to the metric unless the transformation matrix is the Jacobian of an isometry.
  • There is a discussion on the mechanisms of pullbacks and pushforwards under diffeomorphisms, with a participant stating that Minkowski space can be viewed as a smooth structure similar to Euclidean 4-space.
  • A later reply corrects a previous statement, clarifying that Minkowski space is equipped with a pseudo-Riemannian (Lorentzian) metric, which becomes significant in the context of general relativity.
  • It is mentioned that while pullbacks and pushforwards do not depend on the presence of a Riemannian metric, metrics facilitate natural isomorphisms that relate to the manipulation of tensor indices.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between tensor transformations and the underlying metric, indicating that there is no consensus on whether the transformation laws apply universally or are restricted to Lorentz transformations.

Contextual Notes

Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of spacetime, the distinction between Riemannian and pseudo-Riemannian metrics, and unresolved aspects regarding the implications of different transformation laws.

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By the question in the title, I mean, do the so-called 4-vectors and tensors of SR transform as tangent vectors and tensors (in the sense of differential geometry) with respect to any transformation (local diffeomorphism) of the space-time coordinates or only with respect to Lorentz transformations? Thanks!
 
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Short answer: Yes.

Slightly longer: If we define the spacetime of SR as a smoth manifold, then yes, vectors like 4-velocity belong to the tangent space of the manifold, and everything you know from differential geometry can be applied to these vectors. This includes the stuff I did in this post. If the coordinate systems x and y in that calculation are global inertial coordinate systems that send the same point to 0, then the matrix with components ##\Lambda^\nu{}_\mu## is a Lorentz transformation.

Note that it also makes sense to define the spacetime of SR as a vector space. (This gives us a slightly different version of the theory in the sense that the statements that define the theory are slightly different, but the predictions the theory makes about results of experiments are the same). Then spacetime is ##\mathbb R^4## and the vectors are members of ##\mathbb R^4## too.
 
But, if you define SR in Minkowskian spacetime, then Lorentz transformations (Poincare if you include translations) are the ones that leave the manifold invariant.
 
Yes, they are the isometries of the metric. But the whole "transforms according to the tensor transformation law" thing doesn't really have anything to do with the metric. Unless of course you change the tensor transformation law to require that the transformation matrix is the Jacobian matrix of an isometry.
 
All the same mechanisms of pullbacks and pushforwards still apply under diffeomorphisms. Remember that minkowski space is nothing more than ##\mathbb{R}^{4}## equipped with a riemannian metric but pullbacks and pushforwards don't care if there is a riemannian metric or not. The smooth structure is all we care about and in that sense we are just dealing with euclidean 4 - space.
 
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All the same mechanisms of pullbacks and pushforwards still apply under diffeomorphisms. Remember that minkowski space is nothing more than ##\mathbb{R}^{4}## equipped with a riemannian metric but pullbacks and pushforwards don't care if there is a riemannian metric or not. The smooth structure is all we care about and in that sense we are just dealing with euclidean 4 - space.

Just a small correction, that I know you are aware of, but just to be more precise, Minkowski is nothing more than ##\mathbb{R}^{4}## equipped with a pseudo-Riemannian (Lorentzian) metric. I know this distinction is not very important in flat spacetime, but it is when we go to GR's curved spacetime: hole argument, passive versus active transf., gauge vs not gauge...)
Also it is true that pullbacks and pushforwards each by themselves don't care if there is a Riemannian metric but it is also true that metrics give natural (musical) isomorphisms, that is, the raising and lowering of indices of tensors and vectors, IOW going back and forth from pullbacks to pushforwards.
 

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