Stable equilibrium of a 4 mass, 6 spring system

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a spring-mass system designed to achieve stable equilibrium in a specific configuration. The original poster is developing a physics engine and is trying to understand how to manipulate the system to maintain a box-like shape with ideal springs and point particles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to analyze the forces acting on the masses and considers the effects of individual springs on achieving equilibrium. They question the role of diagonal springs and their constants in the overall system. Other participants inquire about the definitions of equilibrium and the conditions under which the system should come to rest.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of equilibrium and the expected behavior of the system. Some guidance has been offered regarding the definitions of equilibrium, but no consensus has been reached on the specific conditions required for the system to achieve the desired state.

Contextual Notes

The original poster mentions that the springs are ideal and that there is no external force acting on the particles in the x/y direction when they are separated by 0.5m. There is also a note about damping in the springs, which affects how the system comes to rest.

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Homework Statement


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I am making a physics engine for my computer science class and couldn't figure out how to get the spring/mass system to come to equilibrium into a box-like shape such as the one on the left. I can understand why the one on the right is in equilibrium but I don't know how to make the system not do that. (Keep in mind, these are ideal springs and point-particles so the springs pass through each other)

All the springs have the same spring constant and there is no force exerted on the particle in the x/y direction if the two particles' x/y components are separated by 0.5m

Homework Equations


Fx(1) = -k[(x2-x1)-0.5] + -k[(x3-x1)-0.5] + -k[(x4-x1)-0.5]
Fy(1) = -k[(y2-y1)-0.5] + -k[(y3-y1)-0.5] + -k[(y4-y1)-0.5] [/B]
and so on...

The Attempt at a Solution


I tested each of the 6 springs individually on their two important masses and it definitely brings them to equilibrium 0.5m apart (in the relevant components -- so for the diagonals technically .707 but still 0.5 in each component)

My intuition tells me that the spring constants along the diagonals should be different but because I am working with components but I feel like because the diagonals work as intended on their own, I should just leave them be.

Not quite sure where I went wrong or what I could change about the diagonals
 
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what is your definition/criterion for equilibrium ?
 
BvU said:
what is your definition/criterion for equilibrium ?
The springs have some damping so they eventually come to rest and stop moving. Currently they stop moving while in tension while I intend for them to come to rest with no tension.
 
Why would you expect them to come to rest with no tension ?
 

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