A system of 3 masses attached by springs is oscillating

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The problem involves a system of three identical masses connected by springs, with the end masses attached to a wall by additional springs. The system is oscillating vertically, and the original poster seeks to derive the equations of motion for each mass, denoting their displacements as ψa, ψb, and ψc. The scenario includes specific conditions where ψb=0 and ψa=-ψc, aiming to find the angular frequency of the system.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to derive the equations of motion based on the forces acting on each mass and applies small angle approximations. Some participants question the clarity of the function denoted as cap psi and the overall setup of the problem. Others express confusion regarding the vertical oscillation context and the parameters used in the equations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with some participants providing feedback on the original poster's equations and seeking clarification on the problem's setup. There is an indication of differing interpretations of the motion involved, and participants are exploring the implications of the parameters defined.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of a visual representation of the system, which may aid in understanding the configuration of the masses and springs. There is also mention of potential misunderstandings regarding the direction of motion and the parameters used in the equations of motion.

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Homework Statement


A system has 3 identical masses each connected by springs with stiffness k, and also with the end masses attached to a wall by a spring. The system is oscillating vertically. Write down the equations of motion for each of the masses, with the displacements of each mass denoted ψa, ψb and ψc.
Consider the scenario where ψb=0 and also ψa=-ψc and find the angular frequency of the system.

Homework Equations


F=ma, F=-kx

The Attempt at a Solution


For the equations of motion I got;
for the first mass: m(d2ψa/dt2)=(-Fψa/a)+(f/a)(ψb-ψa)
2nd: m(d2ψb/dt2)=(-Fψb/a)+(f/a)(ψc-ψb)
3rd: m(d2ψc/dt2)=(-Fψc/a)+(f/a)(ψc-ψb)

I have denoted a, myself, as the distance between the masses. I have also denoted F as the force exerted along the spring when the masses are displaced from equilibrium. Then by using small angle formulae (assuming the vertical displacement causes an angle between the spring and the horizontal to be <<1)

For the second part of this, I literally just plugged in the fact that ψb=0 and ended up with
ω=√(2F/ma)

Thank you for any assistance.


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This is a problem regarding the transverse oscillations of a string of block? A figure would really help.

What is your function (I guess it is a function) cap psi?
 
Something like this, but then vertically ? (stolen from Russell, PennState -- my apologies)

Here is the picture (explicit (c) makes me refer to it instead of steal it...)
 
BvU said:
Something like this, but then vertically ? (stolen from Russell, PennState -- my apologies)

Here is the picture (explicit (c) makes me refer to it instead of steal it...)
Yes that's right. I've spoken to course mates who have similar to me, I've changed it slightly now, but if you could let me know if the general gist is right, would be greatly appreciated.
 
I re-read your post #1 and expect a "No that's not right" ! The masses move up and down, not left-right !

And now I have to re-read some more to find out what a, F and f are. And why the four lengths of the four springs disappear from the equations :smile:

[edit] you need to express x in ##\Psi_a##, a , etc.
 
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