Stack poker chips in a staircase-like fashion

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The discussion revolves around the feasibility of stacking poker chips in a staircase-like fashion, specifically whether the top poker chip can extend further to the right than the bottom chips. Participants explore theoretical limits, physical principles, and various configurations related to this stacking problem.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that it is impossible to achieve infinite overhang due to tipping and stability issues, citing the weight distribution and the need for the center of mass to remain above the base.
  • Others argue that with an infinite number of chips and a specific stacking configuration, it is theoretically possible to achieve infinite overhang, referencing the harmonic series and mathematical proofs.
  • A few participants challenge the assumptions about the stacking configuration, suggesting that the initial diagram may not accurately represent the conditions necessary for infinite overhang.
  • Some contributions highlight the importance of factors such as weight, surface texture, and shape, questioning whether these elements affect the stacking outcome.
  • There are references to external resources and proofs that discuss the mathematical underpinnings of the problem, though some participants express skepticism about their applicability to the original configuration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus. There are competing views on the possibility of infinite overhang, with some firmly believing it is impossible while others maintain that it can be achieved under certain conditions.

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The discussion includes various assumptions about the physical properties of poker chips and their arrangement, which may not be universally applicable. The mathematical proofs referenced may depend on specific configurations that differ from the original problem posed.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring concepts in physics related to stability, center of mass, and mathematical modeling of physical systems.

  • #31
DaveC426913 said:
2] Actually, I'm not sure this wouldn't work as a linear stack. Can anyone think of a reason why it wouldn't? The overhang would be less, but it should still work. It would just need to be taller.
The maximum overhang with a linear stack will be L, irrespective of the number of chips in the stack. Again, it follows directly from writing the coordinates for the CoM.
 
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  • #32
Gokul43201 said:
The maximum overhang with a linear stack will be L, irrespective of the number of chips in the stack. Again, it follows directly from writing the coordinates for the CoM.
Right. Of course. The lower section must overbalance what's above it.
 
  • #33
Gokul43201 said:
I've done it with a stack of CDs. They're much flatter and more parallelized.
I managed to get L=~1.75 with about 21 CDs. That was about the limit for me. Believe it or not, CDs are not parallel enough. They have a tiny ridge around the core that messes everything up. You can see in the pic how the top ones are leaning markedly.
 

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  • #34
DaveC426913 said:
I managed to get L=~1.75 with about 21 CDs. That was about the limit for me. Believe it or not, CDs are not parallel enough. They have a tiny ridge around the core that messes everything up. You can see in the pic how the top ones are leaning markedly.
Now I think about it, mine were leaning too, but I chalked that up to the low stiffness rather than nonparallelism (I didn't inspect very carefully, I guess - I was in a bit of a hurry). I'd imagined that if the CD stack were a contiguous structure with the stiffness of the CD-plastic, it would still droop some under the weight, but I think you're right - it's the little rigdes round the inside. I used an essentially vertical stack of something like 15-20 CDs before I made noticeable shifts.
 
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CD's aren't quite flat, either - the center section has a raised rim around it. Cool pic, though, Dave.
 

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