States of Matter: 3 vs 5? School Help

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The discussion clarifies the distinction between the three classical states of matter—solid, liquid, and gas—and the additional states recognized in advanced science, including plasma and Bose-Einstein condensates. While schools typically teach three states, the conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding the complexities of matter, particularly under extreme conditions. Plasma, characterized by ionized gas with separated electrons, is highlighted as a significant state that occurs naturally in phenomena like lightning. The need for foundational knowledge in quantum mechanics is also stressed to grasp the full spectrum of matter states.

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  • Understanding of the three classical states of matter: solid, liquid, gas
  • Basic knowledge of plasma as a state of matter
  • Familiarity with quantum mechanics concepts
  • Awareness of extreme conditions affecting states of matter
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  • Research the properties and applications of plasma in various fields
  • Study Bose-Einstein condensates and their significance in physics
  • Explore the role of temperature and pressure in changing states of matter
  • Learn about the implications of quantum mechanics on the classification of matter
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For school my teacher told me there were 3 states of matter but the internet told me there were 5. Help?
 
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If you count all the things that can happen at extreme conditions (including things that theoretically might happen but have not yet been observed) there are a lot more than five.

I guess you teacher's three were solid, liquid, and gas. You could add plasma as a fourth "classical" state. You can think of a plasma as being a like gas, but where all the electrons have been separated from the nuclei of the atoms, so every particle has its own electric charge. It occurs naturally in lightning strikes, electric sparks, and sometimes in flames.

Unless you just want a list of names, you can't really understand any of the other states of matter without first learning about quantum mechanics.
 
Sciencekid said:
For school my teacher told me there were 3 states of matter but the internet told me there were 5. Help?

It's difficult, in School, to understand where the simplified statements you get in your Science lessons apply to the real world you see. Many substances you see around you just do not fit into the simple descriptions of the states of matter you are taught. How would you classify the Tarmac you drive cars on? It flows, over time yet will support large weights for long periods. Solid or liquid? Likewise, the (very solid?) rocks of the Earth will move when the pressures are great enough.

If you are told that you will need to 'know' the three states of matter then it's best to accept that is all you will be tested on. Don't get upset that your extra knowledge seems to contradict it. The examples you get told about in School are the simple ones and are easy to classify. Don't go looking for trouble - life's too short. :smile: Just keep thinking.
 
You're right, Sciencekid, schools probably should teach you about the five states of matter. Even if not Bose-Einstein Condensates, at least plasma, seeing as it's such a common phenomena
 

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