Do physical (macroscopic) waves consist of matter?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around whether physical (macroscopic) waves, such as sound waves, consist of matter. Participants explore the nature of wave propagation, particularly in the context of sound, and the implications of matter being emitted during this process.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that waves are geometric structures propagating through matter, questioning if sound involves actual matter being emitted.
  • Another participant emphasizes that waves are oscillations of particles, noting that air molecules oscillate around an equilibrium position without traveling from the source to the receiver.
  • A different viewpoint introduces the concept of photons as massless particles associated with electromagnetic waves, and phonons as particles associated with mechanical vibrations, indicating that these do not involve mass transfer.
  • Another participant asserts that no matter is emitted when sound travels, arguing that if it were, it would lead to a loss of mass in the source, such as a person talking or a loudspeaker operating.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that sound waves do not involve the emission of matter, but there is ongoing exploration regarding the nature of waves and the implications of their propagation.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of waves and the nature of sound may not be fully articulated, leading to potential misunderstandings about the relationship between waves and matter.

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When I think of a wave propagating through space I think of a geometric wave-like structure propagating through the matter in the surrounding environment. If someone yells and you hear their voice is it actual matter that is emitted and that your ears pick up on? If this were the case there would be a lot of "clutter" in your ears from all the noise... what is the answer?

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Try googling for "what is sound".
 
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Vitani1 said:
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When I think of a wave propagating through space I think of a geometric wave-like structure propagating through the matter in the surrounding environment. If someone yells and you hear their voice is it actual matter that is emitted and that your ears pick up on? If this were the case there would be a lot of "clutter" in your ears from all the noise... what is the answer?

Thanks
Waves are oscillations of something. They may be the oscillation in position of air molecules in the longitudinal direction as sound propagates from the source to the receiver (the waves propagate, but the air molecules stay mostly in place), or they can be the transverse oscillation of water molecules as gravity waves propagate across the ocean or a lake. Or they can also be electromagnetic in nature, which does not require a medium at all.

You can start with the Wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave

The particles (of water or air or string/rope molecules, etc.) that oscillate tend to oscillate around an equilibrium position. That is why the air molecules don't move from your mouth to the ear of your listener. When you speak, that "bangs" the air molecules outside your mouth together, and that bangs molecules together a little farther away from your mouth, and so on, all the way to the air molecules outside and inside the listener's ear canal.
 
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We all have heard about photons, which are totally massless 'particles' that are associated with electromagnetic waves. There are less well known particles that are called Phonons and they are associated with mechanical vibrations (sound) in materials. They travel but are not regarded as having mass; the air / water / metal doesn't go anywhere when sound travels through.
 
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You already have got good answers above, but I want to comment too:
Vitani1 said:
If someone yells and you hear their voice is it actual matter that is emitted and that your ears pick up on?
No matter is emitted that travels from source and outwards.
If that was the case we could lose weight (mass) by simply talking. :)
And loudspeakers would also lose mass over time if matter was emitted. :)
What is propagating is sound, and sound is differences in air pressure/density which can be modeled as waves.
 
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Thank you.
 
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