States of Matter: Number & Properties

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the question of how many states of matter exist and their respective properties. Participants explore various states, including traditional categories and more complex forms, while addressing the ambiguity in defining states of matter across different materials and conditions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants argue that traditional categories of matter (solid, liquid, gas, plasma) are insufficient for complex materials, citing examples like toothpaste as viscoelastic fluids.
  • One participant humorously suggests two main states of matter: "does matter" and "doesn't matter," indicating a playful take on the topic.
  • Another participant notes that while solids, liquids, gases, and plasma are commonly accepted, the existence of neutron stars and Bose-Einstein Condensates suggests there may be many more states yet to be discovered.
  • Additional states mentioned include liquid crystals, fermionic condensates, superfluids, quark-gluon plasma, supersolids, string-net liquids, superglass, and dark matter, though one participant expresses uncertainty about some of these classifications.
  • Concepts such as Planck matter, false vacuum, dark energy, and string theory are introduced as potential states of matter, though their acceptance is not universally agreed upon.
  • One participant suggests a binary view of matter as either existing as matter or energy, reflecting a philosophical perspective.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the number of states of matter, with multiple competing views and definitions presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the classification of certain states and the definitions used, indicating that the discussion is influenced by varying interpretations and the complexity of materials.

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States Of Matter...

Just out of interest as I am compiling a list of the states of matter & their properties can someone please clear up the age old dispute;

How Many States Of Matter Are There?

If you could state the number with what (additional) states of matter, please list them and their properties.
 
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I don't think's a meaningful question anymore. Sure, simple materials (e.g. water) can exist as a solid, liquid, or gas. But more complicated materials don't fall into any of those clean categories- what's toothpaste, for example? (It's a viscoelastic fluid/Bingham fluid)
 
There are two main states of matter, and then some derived ones:
- does matter
- doesn't matter

(and then, matters a bit, a lot)...

:biggrin: :smile: :blushing:
 
Matters generally divided into four categories; solid, liquid, gas, and plasma. That fourth category, plasma, is debated by some who claim that it is merely a special condition of the gaseous state.

The existence of neutron stars and the proposed existence of Quark stars, along with the discovery of BEC's (Bose-Einstein Condensates) suggest that there are many more states of matter of which we are not aware, simply because they do not concur in our everyday experience.
 
What About Bose-Einstein Condensate (First Observed in 1995)
or Liquid Crystal
or Fermionic Condensate
etc.
 
How does Planck matter grab ya? The false vacuum? Dark energy? Strings and branes?
 
I guess there are two states; one where it is matter and one where it is energy.

k
 


I will just list how much I know off the top of my head. There are solids, liquids, gases, plasma, Bose-einstein Condensates, Fermionic Condensates, superfluids, beam, thought wave (is this real? I've never found proof), quark-gluon plasma, supersolids, string-net liquids, superglass, and dark matter. I'm not positive about these, so if I made any mistakes, please correct me.
 


WARLORDTF said:
Just out of interest as I am compiling a list of the states of matter & their properties can someone please clear up the age old dispute;

How Many States Of Matter Are There?

If you could state the number with what (additional) states of matter, please list them and their properties.

That's so awesome. When you are completed with this arduous task please forward a copy of it to me. I want to help, too. What's your email? Should I just post it up on megaupload or rapidshare or something?
 

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