Statistical mechanics: mathematical preparation?

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical and statistical preparation needed for a senior-level undergraduate course in statistical mechanics. Participants share their experiences and recommendations regarding necessary knowledge and resources prior to the course.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that minimal preparation is needed, emphasizing that statistical mechanics concepts often emerge naturally from physics.
  • Another participant recommends reviewing general statistics (mean value, standard deviation) and calculus (particularly integration and Gaussian functions), but notes that the necessity may vary by course.
  • Concerns are raised about the vagueness of the course information page and the absence of a textbook, with a list of recommended books provided, including works by Pathria, Huang, and Landau & Lifshitz.
  • A participant expresses a negative opinion about Pathria as a textbook, sharing a personal experience of finding it unhelpful without prior coursework in statistical mechanics or thermodynamics.
  • Another participant mentions that Kittel's "Thermal Physics" may cover the basics needed for the course, although they express uncertainty about its sufficiency for quantum statistics.
  • Questions arise regarding the specific mathematical and statistical knowledge required for quantum statistics, indicating a lack of clarity on this topic.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the level of mathematical preparation required, with differing opinions on the usefulness of recommended texts and the adequacy of prior knowledge.

Contextual Notes

There is uncertainty regarding the specific prerequisites for the course, as well as the potential availability of course notes. The discussion reflects varying personal experiences with the recommended textbooks.

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Hey everyone,

I'm about to take a senior-level undergraduate course in statistical mechanics

What preparation in terms of mathematics and statistics knowledge do you think I'll need?

Is there any material in math/stats you would recommend for reading before the course starts?

Thanks,
Vince
 
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I don't think you need much preparation. In my experience, most topics in statistical mechanics come sort of naturally from the physics. If you really want to prepare you might want to read up on general statistics (mean value, standard deviation) and some calculus (integration, especially Gaussian - though I doubt you'll really need that much and if you do, it won't be thoroughly repeated in the first lectures).
(Disclaimer: Note however, that this is my personal experience at my own university, and your experience or your course may differ. :smile:)[/size]

Is there no information page for the course which lists the prerequisites?
 
No, the course information page ( http://www.physics.utoronto.ca/undergraduate/courses/fourth-year/PHY480S.html ) is very vague, plus there is not going to be a textbook for the course, though the prof did list a bunch of recommended books:

Recommended: R. K. Pathria, Statistical Mechanics. K. Huang, Statistical Mechanics. L. D. Landau and E. M. Lifshitz, Statistical Physics, Part 1.

I'm assuming that the course will be taught at almost a graduate level since we had to take a statistical mechanics course in our sophomore year with Kittel & Kroemer's "Thermal Physics" book.
 
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Jeez, Pathria as recommended reading. Pathria IS very comprehensive, I'll give it that. . . but my final judgment on the book was it was just a horrible text for me at the time, and not a great text for anyone at any time. We used it in the grad level class, and I had never had either an undergrad stat mech nor thermo class before. If all I'd had was Pathria I wouldn't have learned much.

I found an old Kittel book from the library, "Elementary Statistical Mechanics" and that helped quite a bit. If you had a really good modern physics course maybe pathria is a good place to start, but it wouldn't hurt to look at the Kittel book first to see if it helps your foundation any.
 
If I quickly scan the topic list at the bottom of that link, I don't think there is anything of which you won't find at least the basics covered in Kittel (the Thermal Physics book). Since I understand from your post that you had already bought that, I'd just try and see how far that gets you at first. I think maybe on quantum statistics it may not be entirely sufficient, but that also depends on how far the course will go. Also, maybe there are course notes that you can buy / will be handed out in class?
 
Hmm he hasn't said anything about course notes, everything he's said is on the page.

What would I need to know for quantum statistics in terms of math and statistics?
 

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