Statistical operator of hydrogen atom

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The discussion revolves around the statistical operator for individual hydrogen atoms prepared in the energy state n = 2, with an emphasis on the implications of remaining quantum numbers. The context involves quantum mechanics and statistical mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the nature of the quantum states associated with the energy level n = 2, questioning the implications of having multiple quantum states despite all atoms sharing the same energy. There is an attempt to express the statistical operator and clarify the probabilities associated with different states.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants questioning assumptions about quantum states and probabilities. Some guidance has been offered regarding the possible quantum states corresponding to the energy level n = 2, and there is a recognition of the need to consider the implications of different quantum numbers.

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Participants are considering the constraints of the problem, including the lack of information about the remaining quantum numbers and the assumption that all states may have equal probability. There is also a focus on the implications of the fine structure being ignored.

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Homework Statement


Individual hydrogen atoms have been prepared in the energy state n = 2. However, nothing is known about the remaining quantum numbers. Fine structure and all corrections can be ignored.

What is the micro-canonical statistical operator.

Homework Equations



\hat{\rho_{mc}} = \frac{1}{\Omega (E)}\delta(E-\hat{H})

\hat{H} = -\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2m_{p}}\Delta_{p} -\frac{\hbar^{2}}{2m_{e}}\Delta_{e} - \frac{e^{2}}{4\pi \epsilon_{0}}\frac{1}{\left|r_{p} - r_{e}\right|}

\Omega (E) = Tr( \delta(E-\hat{H}) )

The Attempt at a Solution



I don't understand this. If the atoms are all in state n = 2 then with have a system in a pure state: therefore the probability p_{i} = \frac{1}{\Omega (E)} = 1 and \rho = |2\rangle \langle 2|.

is that so?
 
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All of the atoms have the same energy determined by the quantum number n = 2. But that doesn't mean that all the atoms are in the same quantum state. Consider the "remaining quantum numbers" and list all the possible quantum states that have this energy.
 
TSny said:
Consider the "remaining quantum numbers" and list all the possible quantum states that have this energy.

n = 2
l = 0, 1
ml = -1, 0, 1
ms = -1/2, 1/2

so if the generalised state vector is |n,l,m_{l},m_{s}\rangle then

\hat{\rho} = \frac{1}{P} \cdot \sum\limits_{i = 0}^{1} \left(\sum\limits_{j = 0}^{2} \left(\sum\limits_{k = 0}^{1}|2,i,j-1,k - \frac{1}{2}\rangle\langle k - \frac{1}{2}, j-1,i,2| \right)\right)

where \frac{1}{P} is the probability associated with each state, which I assume to be all equal, e.g. normal distribution (I think 1/12 but not sure )
 
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When ##l = 0## what are the possible values of ##m_l##?

Otherwise, I think you're on the right track.
 

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