Statistics - Finding a relationship?

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The discussion revolves around finding relationships between the means and standard deviations of two sets of variables, \(y\) and \(x\), defined by the linear equation \(y_j = ax_j + b\) for constants \(a\) and \(b\). Participants explore the implications of this relationship in the context of statistics, particularly focusing on means and standard deviations.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the relationships between the means and standard deviations of \(y\) and \(x\), expressing uncertainty about the expectations of the problem.
  • Another participant suggests using the definitions of the means and properties of sums to derive the relationship between \(\overline{y}\) and \(\overline{x}\), indicating that \(\overline{y} = a\overline{x} + b\).
  • A participant proposes that the standard deviation relationship might involve squaring, though this is not elaborated upon.
  • There is a clarification that the bar over a variable denotes the mean, confirming a participant's understanding.
  • A later reply provides a detailed derivation showing that \(\sigma_y = a\sigma_x\), reinforcing the relationship between the standard deviations.
  • Some participants express confusion about the notation and concepts, indicating varying levels of familiarity with statistics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

While there are some clarifications and derivations presented, the discussion includes varying levels of understanding and some confusion among participants. No consensus is reached on the initial question, as some participants are still grappling with the concepts.

Contextual Notes

Some participants are new to statistics, which may affect their understanding of the relationships being discussed. The discussion does not resolve all uncertainties regarding the implications of the relationships between means and standard deviations.

Who May Find This Useful

Students beginning their studies in statistics, particularly those interested in understanding linear relationships and their statistical properties.

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let a and b be constants and let $$y_j = ax_j+b$$ for $$j = 1,2...n$$. What are the relationships between the means of y and x, and the standard deviations of y and x?

I'm not sure what they are wanting here?
 
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Let's look at the means first...we know:

$$\overline{y}=\frac{1}{n}\sum_{j=1}^n\left(y_j\right)$$

Can you use the definition of $y_j$ and the properties of sums to obtain a relationship between $\overline{y}$ and $\overline{y}$?

Once you have the above, then look at:

$$\sigma_y=\sqrt{\frac{\sum\limits_{j=1}^n\left(y_j-\overline{y}\right)^2}{n}}$$

Replace $y_j$ and $\overline{y}$ with the expressions in terms of $x_j$ and $\overline{x}$, and you should be able to establish a relationship between $\sigma_y$ and $\sigma_x$. :D
 
would it be that they are both squared?
 
I don't really understand. This is my first statistic class. is ybar supposed to be the symbol for the mean?
 
MarkFL said:
Let's look at the means first...we know:

$$\overline{y}=\frac{1}{n}\sum_{j=1}^n\left(y_j\right)$$

Can you use the definition of $y_j$ and the properties of sums to obtain a relationship between $\overline{y}$ and $\overline{y}$?

Once you have the above, then look at:

$$\sigma_y=\sqrt{\frac{\sum\limits_{j=1}^n\left(y_j-\overline{y}\right)^2}{n}}$$

Replace $y_j$ and $\overline{y}$ with the expressions in terms of $x_j$ and $\overline{x}$, and you should be able to establish a relationship between $\sigma_y$ and $\sigma_x$. :D

Sorry for multiple posts. I think I see it now. the deviation of the $i^{th}$ observation, $y_i$, from the sample mean $\overline{y}$ is the difference between them $y_i - \overline{y}$
 
Yes, the bar over a variable represents the mean.

This is what I was suggesting you do:

$$\overline{y}=\frac{1}{n}\sum_{j=1}^n\left(y_j\right)=\frac{1}{n}\sum_{j=1}^n\left(ax_j+b\right)=a\frac{1}{n}\sum_{j=1}^n\left(x_j\right)+\frac{1}{n}bn=a\overline{x}+b$$

Now for the deviation:

$$\sigma_y=\sqrt{\frac{\sum\limits_{j=1}^n\left(y_j-\overline{y}\right)^2}{n}}=\sqrt{\frac{\sum\limits_{j=1}^n\left(ax_j+b-a\overline{x}-b\right)^2}{n}}=a\sqrt{\frac{\sum\limits_{j=1}^n\left(x_j-\overline{x}\right)^2}{n}}=a\sigma_x$$

Both of these results should agree nicely with intuition too. :D
 

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