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The discussion revolves around a probability problem involving a loaded die with specified probabilities for each face. Participants are examining two scenarios: the probability of rolling a pair of fives given that the sum of two dice is 10 or larger, and determining how many times the die must be rolled for the probability of rolling a two to exceed 40 percent.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are analyzing the outcomes for the sum of two dice and questioning the method of eliminating duplicates in the combinations. There is also discussion on calculating probabilities based on the given conditions.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided calculations and interpretations of the problem, while others are seeking clarification on the reasoning behind specific steps. There is an ongoing exploration of the correct approach to both parts of the question, with hints and suggestions being offered without reaching a consensus.

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Participants note that the original poster is learning statistics and express a supportive tone regarding errors made in calculations. There is a mention of the distinction between probability and statistics in the context of the problem.

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Homework Statement



A certain die is weighted such that probabilities of showing a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 are
(6/34),
(8/34),
(5/34),
(3/34),
(8/34),
and
(4/34)

A) If two such dice are thrown, and you are told that the sum of the two is 10 or larger. What is the probability that the result was a pair of 5's?

B) How many times would you have to throw this die to have the probability of throwing a 2 exceed 40 percent?


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



A) For this the possible outcomes for a sum of 10 or greater are:

4-6
5-5
5-6
6-4
6-5
6-6

Getting rid of duplicates, since order doesn't matter there is a 1/4 chance it's double fives. I multiplied this by (8/34)(8/34) and got a probability of .01384

B) For this I used the equation

Probability = Successful outcomes/Total number of outcomes

so .4 = (8/34)/n

solving for n I get .588, which doesn't make sense.


I'm just learning statistics, so if anything I tried to do offends you mathematically, I'm very sorry!
 
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dinospamoni said:

Homework Statement



A certain die is weighted such that probabilities of showing a 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 are
(6/34),
(8/34),
(5/34),
(3/34),
(8/34),
and
(4/34)

A) If two such dice are thrown, and you are told that the sum of the two is 10 or larger. What is the probability that the result was a pair of 5's?

B) How many times would you have to throw this die to have the probability of throwing a 2 exceed 40 percent?


Homework Equations



The Attempt at a Solution



A) For this the possible outcomes for a sum of 10 or greater are:

4-6
5-5
5-6
6-4
6-5
6-6

Getting rid of duplicates, since order doesn't matter there is a 1/4 chance it's double fives. I multiplied this by (8/34)(8/34) and got a probability of .01384

B) For this I used the equation

Probability = Successful outcomes/Total number of outcomes

so .4 = (8/34)/n

solving for n I get .588, which doesn't make sense.


I'm just learning statistics, so if anything I tried to do offends you mathematically, I'm very sorry!

Don't apologize; we are not offended by errors. Besides, this is a probability question, not a statistics one.

Anyway, in (a): eliminating duplicates is an error. For example, 6-4 and 4-6 both contribute equally to getting '10'. For (a) I get the answer 8/21 ≈ 0.38095.

For (b), you want to find the smallest n so that the probability of getting at least one '2' in trials 1,2,...,n is = 0.40. I'll just give a hint to get you going. Look at the experiments as having only two outcomes: S (success = get a '2') or F (failure = not a '2'). Let p = 8/34 = 4/17 be the success probability per trial and q = 1-p = 13/17 be the failure probability per trial.

What is the probability that your first S occurs in trial n? For that to happen, the first (n-1) trials must all give F. What is the probability for that to happen? The probability that the first S occurs on or before trial n is a sum of such probabilities.
 
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Would you mind explaining how you got part A? I can't figure out how you did it.
 
dinospamoni said:
Would you mind explaining how you got part A? I can't figure out how you did it.

If S is the sum we have
[tex]P\{(5,5)|S \geq 10\} = \frac{P\{(5,5)\; \& \;S \geq 10 \}}{P\{S \geq 10\}} \\<br /> = \frac{P\{(5,5)\}}{ P\{S \geq 10 \}}[/tex]
because {(5,5) & S ≥ 10} = {(5,5)} (since the event {(5,5)} is a subevent of {S ≥ 10}).
So, you need to compute P{S ≥ 10}.
 

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