Step Ladder on a rough survace - torques help

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The discussion focuses on analyzing the equilibrium of a step ladder modeled as two rods, OA and AB, hinged at point A. The mass of rod AB is 4m, while rod OA has a mass of m, with both rods making an angle θ with the vertical. Participants clarify the process of deriving scalar equations from vector forces, emphasizing the importance of torque calculations about point O. The key takeaway is the need to express forces in terms of unit vectors and derive two scalar equations to solve for equilibrium conditions.

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Homework Statement



A step ladder is moddelled as two model rods OA and Ab smoothly hinged at A. The other ends of the rods rest on a rough horizontal floor. The mass of rod AB is 4m and that of rod OA is m. The andle each rod makes with the vertical is theta. The origin is taken at O and the unit vectors i and j are defined as shown.

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Homework Equations



Torque = position vector * Force

The Attempt at a Solution



Ok a) is drawing the force diagram Iv got that down I think

B) Express each for in terms of i and j (Iv got that)
F1 = Friction acting on O = lF1l i
F2 = Friction acting on B = - lF2l i
N1 = Normal Reaction of OA = lN1l j
N2 = Normal Reaction of AB = lN2l j
W1 = Weight of rod OA = -lw1l j
W2 = Weight of rod AB = -lw2l j

but is says hence obtain two scalar equations relating to the magnitude of the forces when the system is in equilibrium. and then find the torque of each force about O.

I really don't understand this any help much appreciated!
 
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Hi Bruno1983! Welcome to PF! :smile:

(have a theta: θ :wink:)
Bruno1983 said:
A step ladder is moddelled as two model rods OA and Ab smoothly hinged at A. The other ends of the rods rest on a rough horizontal floor. The mass of rod AB is 4m and that of rod OA is m. The andle each rod makes with the vertical is theta. The origin is taken at O and the unit vectors i and j are defined as shown.

B) Express each for in terms of i and j (Iv got that)
F1 = Friction acting on O = lF1l i
F2 = Friction acting on B = - lF2l i
N1 = Normal Reaction of OA = lN1l j
N2 = Normal Reaction of AB = lN2l j
W1 = Weight of rod OA = -lw1l j
W2 = Weight of rod AB = -lw2l j

but is says hence obtain two scalar equations relating to the magnitude of the forces when the system is in equilibrium. and then find the torque of each force about O.

In this context, scalar means "not vector".

A vector equation would be ai + bj + ci + dj = 0, or (a,b) + (c,d) = 0

That can be decomposed into two scalar equations:

a + c = 0 and b + d = 0

Similarly you could decompose (a,b,c) x (d,e,f) = (u,v,w) into three scalar equations :wink:
 
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