Stern-Gerlach experiment Problem

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The discussion revolves around the Stern-Gerlach experiment, specifically addressing the interpretations of different cases (a, b, c, d) regarding electron spin and interference. In cases (c) and (d), the participants explore whether measuring an electron's spin allows them to determine which slit it passed through. It is concluded that in case (c), the measurement reveals the slit, while in case (d), it does not. The conversation also touches on the nature of interference between different spin states and the implications for electron flux and intensity in the experiment. Overall, the participants clarify their understanding of quantum mechanics principles as they relate to the experiment.
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(a) : There is no interference. (b) : Interference

And i don't know how to approach (c), (d)
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BREAD said:
And i don't know how to approach (c), (d)
Consider the wavefunctions in each case and the probability distribution at the screen that they entail.
 
kuruman said:
Consider the wavefunctions in each case and the probability distribution at the screen that they entail.
(c) is just sum of l+> + l-> so the answer is same with (b), and i don't know if there is interference between l+> and l+>
 
BREAD said:
is just sum of l+> + l->
In case (c), if you were to measure an electron's spin with another Stern-Gerlach machine, would you be able to tell through which slit the electron emerged?
What about if you did the same with an electron in case (d)?
 
kuruman said:
In case (c), if you were to measure an electron's spin with another Stern-Gerlach machine, would you be able to tell through which slit the electron emerged?
What about if you did the same with an electron in case (d)?
I think , in case of (c) , there would be same amount of electron goes through each slit.
 
BREAD said:
think , in case of (c) , there would be same amount of electron goes through each slit.
My question to you was not about amounts of electrons.
1. Suppose in case (c) you measured the spin of an electron to the right of the slits and you found it is "up". Would you be able to tell through which slit it went through?
2. Suppose in case (d) you measured the spin of an electron to the right of the slits and you found it is "up". Would you be able to tell through which slit it went through?
 
kuruman said:
My question to you was not about amounts of electrons.
1. Suppose in case (c) you measured the spin of an electron to the right of the slits and you found it is "up". Would you be able to tell through which slit it went through?
2. Suppose in case (d) you measured the spin of an electron to the right of the slits and you found it is "up". Would you be able to tell through which slit it went through?

up spin go through upper slit

and in (d), up spin would be found in both slits
 
So in (c) you know through which slit the electrons have passed through, but in (d) you do not know. Can you put it together now in view of your answers in (a) and (b) and what you know about quantum interference?
 
kuruman said:
So in (c) you know through which slit the electrons have passed through, but in (d) you do not know. Can you put it together now in view of your answers in (a) and (b) and what you know about quantum interference?

I think in (c), upper slit ( + ) and lower slit ( - ) will interfere each other, and similarly, upper slit (+) and lower slit(+) will interfere each other in (d).
Or do i have to focus on that l+> and l-> are independent each other, so there are no interfere between l+> and l-> ??
 
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I think i get it , this is my answer
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But, is it right that i have to draw a half intensity in (c),(d) compared to (a),(b)
 
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BREAD said:
But, is it right that i have to draw a half intensity in (c),(d) compared to (a),(b)
It's not a matter of intensity. If the electron flux is the same in all four cases, then what do you think should be the same in all four graphs?
 

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