Stern-Gerlach, polarized atom beam.

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving a Stern-Gerlach device, where an atom beam with angular momentum J is subjected to a magnetic field. The task is to find the relative intensities of the resulting beams when the beam is polarized in a specific direction. The subject area includes quantum mechanics, particularly the behavior of spin-1 particles in a magnetic field.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the eigenvalues of the spin operator and the projection of eigenstates in the direction of the magnetic field. Questions arise about the initial state of the particles and the implications of the notation used in the problem.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on how to express the initial state in terms of the eigenstates along the magnetic field direction. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the initial and final states, as well as the coefficients that relate them. Multiple interpretations of the notation and setup are being discussed.

Contextual Notes

There is some uncertainty regarding the meaning of the notation jθ = 1 and its implications for the initial state of the particles. Participants reference external materials for further clarification on the quantum mechanics involved.

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Homework Statement


In a Stern-Gerlach device, an atom beam with angular impulse J, travels through a magnetic field applied normally to the trajectory. The beam is separated in 2j+1 beams in general. Find the relative intensities for these beams if J=1 and if the beam is polarized with jθ=1 in a direction that forms an angle θ with the direction of the magnetic field.

Homework Equations


The operator
J \cdot n_{\theta}=J_{\theta}=J_x\sin\theta \cos\phi+J_y \sin\theta\sin\phi+J_z\cos\phi

The Attempt at a Solution


I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do. I think I should find the eigenvalues for the given operator, and then determine the probability of measuring each eigenvalue, projecting over each possible eigenstate. I need some guidance with this.
 
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I think you have the right idea. Since you are dealing with spin 1 particles (##j = 1##), the possible eigenvalues for a measurement of the component of spin along any chosen direction in space are m\hbar where ##m## is an integer.

What are the possible values of ##m##?

The corresponding eigenstates may be written ##|j,m>## where ##j = 1## and ##m## can be any of the possible values of ##m##.

If you use primes to denote that you are considering spin components along the specific direction nθ given in the problem, what is the value of ##m'## for the particles before they enter the B field? That is, what is the value of ##m'## for the initial state ##|j,m'>## ?
 
The possible values for m are ##m=-1,0,1##.

I think that the value of ##m′## should be the eigenvalue for the projection of the eigenstates in the nθ direction. So I think I should apply the given operator over the ##|j,m>##, and those eigenvalues would give the ##m′##, am I right?

Thank you very much TSny.
 
If I'm understanding the setup, the initial state of the particles is ##j = 1## and ##m' = 1## along nθ: ##|j, m'=1>##

If you let ##m## without a prime denote possible eigenstates having definite components of spin along the magnetic field direction, then the three output beams will correspond to the three states ##|j, m>## where ##m## = 1, 0, and -1. You can think of these three states as basis states for expressing any spin state. In particular, it should be possible to expand the input state ##|j, m'=1>## ("along nθ") as a superposition of the states ##|j, m>## ("along B").

The easiest way to find the coefficients of the expansion is to consult a standard QM text that discusses rotations of quantum states. The ##m'## states are related to the ##m## states by a rotation.
 
You get the ##m´=1## from the given value of jθ=1?

I think I get the setup, I saw it in Cohen, where this kind of configuration is discussed. There are two Stern Garlech apparatus, one giving the atoms in a given state, and the second one measuring the intensity I think. But I don't know how to work it out.

I'm sorry to insist with this, I'm having some trouble with QM.
 
I’m not sure of the meaning of the notation jθ = 1. I assume that this means that the initial state is ##|j = 1, m' = 1> \equiv |1, 1'>##. If not, then I don’t understand the setup.

You can expand ##|1, 1'>## in terms of the three eigenstates of spin along the B-field direction ##|j = 1, m> \equiv |1,m>## for m = 1, 0, -1. Thus, there exists constants ##C_1, C_2, C_3## such that

##|1, 1'>\; = \;C_1|1, 1> +\; C_2|1, 0> +\;C_3|1, -1> ##

You can find tables containing the values of the coefficients. For example you can find these constants along with an outline of their derivation on the last 3 pages of

http://www.hep.phy.cam.ac.uk/~thomson/lectures/partIIIparticles/Handout4_2009.pdf \; [Don't panic! Skip quickly to the last three pages. Note that ##|\psi>## is used for what we have called ##|1, 1'>\;##. See in particular the last equation on page 146.]

From the values of the ##C## constants you can calculate the relative intensities of the three beams exiting the apparatus.
 
Thanks, I think I got it.
 

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