Stirring Cream Into Coffee: Clockwise or Counter-Clockwise?

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The discussion revolves around the process of stirring cream into coffee and the implications of reversing the stirring motion. Participants explore the physical principles behind mixing and separation of substances, touching on concepts of diffusion, laminar flow, and the reversibility of mixing processes.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the inability to reverse the stirring motion is akin to the impossibility of ungrating cheese, implying a fundamental principle of mixing.
  • Others recall a demonstration involving specific chemical combinations that could separate when stirring was reversed, although the details and validity of this demonstration are uncertain.
  • One participant describes a demonstration involving glycerin and dye, where reversing the motion of a cylinder appears to "unmix" the dye, but clarifies that this is an example of laminar flow rather than true mixing.
  • There is a discussion about the propagation of waves in water, with some arguing that an opposite wave cannot cancel out a generated wave once it has propagated.
  • Another participant notes that the cream has diffused into the coffee, suggesting that reversing the stirring motion cannot return the mixture to its original state.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the reversibility of mixing and the effectiveness of opposing motions in achieving separation. There is no consensus on the validity of the demonstrations mentioned or the principles at play.

Contextual Notes

Some claims rely on specific definitions of mixing and diffusion, and the discussion includes references to demonstrations that may not be universally recognized or validated.

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If I stir cream into my coffee, what prevents me from stirring counter-clockwise, and the cream seperating again?
 
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There are several more or less sophisticated answers one can give to such a question but basically it's the same reason why you cannot ungrate cheese by reversing the motion of your hand on the grater.
 
I saw a right freaky demonstration a few decades ago. There were two very specific chemical combinations that did separate when the stirring motion was reversed. I have no idea where I saw it, or what the compounds were. At the time, I thought that it was a serious experiment, but I suppose that someone might have been reversing the film. Anyone out there familiar with it?
 
Tide said:
There are several more or less sophisticated answers one can give to such a question but basically it's the same reason why you cannot ungrate cheese by reversing the motion of your hand on the grater.
If I have a pool of water, make a wave, then put opposite wave on it, the pool will be tranquil again.
 
Danger said:
I saw a right freaky demonstration a few decades ago. There were two very specific chemical combinations that did separate when the stirring motion was reversed. I have no idea where I saw it, or what the compounds were. At the time, I thought that it was a serious experiment, but I suppose that someone might have been reversing the film. Anyone out there familiar with it?

Yes. How desperately did you want a reference? And, strictly speaking, it wasn't/isn't perfectly reversible.
 
Mk said:
If I have a pool of water, make a wave, then put opposite wave on it, the pool will be tranquil again.

I don't think so. Once the wave is generated and propagating away from the source your "opposite wave" can't even catch up let alone cancel it out.
 
Mhmm, you're right. My plans for world domination have been foiled again! Curse you!
 
The cream has basically diffused into the coffee (it ain't black no more.) You can't reverse time by reversing your hand movement so it won't return to its original state of being separate.
 
Thanks, Bystander. I don't actually need a reference; I just wanted to make sure that I hadn't either imagined it or been taken in by a bogus demonstration. I was just a wee innocent lad at the time. Knowing that someone else is familiar with it is sufficient. :approve:
 
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Danger said:
I saw a right freaky demonstration a few decades ago. There were two very specific chemical combinations that did separate when the stirring motion was reversed. I have no idea where I saw it, or what the compounds were. At the time, I thought that it was a serious experiment, but I suppose that someone might have been reversing the film. Anyone out there familiar with it?
I believe that the demo you are referring uses glycerin to fill the region between a pair of concentric cylinders. A streak of dye is injected into the glycerin then the interior cylinder is slowly rotated, apparently mixing the dye into the glycerin. Reversing the motion of the inner cylinder "unmixed" the dye. It returns nearly perfectly to its original steak like condition.

This is actually a demo of laminar flow of a fluid, the dye is not really mixed, just stretched out. Over time the dye will diffuse into the glycerin, truly mixing it.
 
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Aha! Indeed, Integral, that is exactly the thing that I was thinking of. Most of the details had leaked out of memory. Thanks.
 
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Integral said:
This is actually a demo of laminar flow of a fluid, the dye is not really mixed, just stretched out. Over time the dye will diffuse into the glycerin, truly mixing it.
I saw it on television, then they explained how it realted to quantum mechanics. How?
 

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