Stokes' Theorem: Evaluating a Surface Integral on a Hemisphere

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the surface integral of the cross product of the gradients of two functions, u and v, over a hemisphere defined by x^2+y^2+z^2=1. The user correctly computes the gradients and their cross product but struggles with the application of Stokes' Theorem and the definition of the vector field F. There is confusion regarding the zero result of the integral and the proper interpretation of the curl in relation to the surface integral. The user acknowledges a mistake in the definition of u, which affects the calculation, and seeks clarification on the correct approach to integrate F rather than curl(F). The conversation highlights the importance of accurately defining vector fields and applying theorems in vector calculus.
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Here's my problem:
Take u=(x^3)+(y^3)+(z^2) and v=x+y+z and evaluate the surface integral
double integral of grad(u) x grad(v) ndS where x is the cross product and between the cross product and the ndS there should be a dot product sign. The region S is the hemisphere x^2+y^2+z^2=1 with z greater than or equal to 0 and n has non-negative k component.

Here's my work:
grad(u)=(3x^2)i-(3y^2)j+(2z)k
grad(v)= i+j+k
grad(u) x grad (v)= (-3y^2-2z)i+(2z-3x^2)j+(3x^2-3y^2)k

curl F * k = (-6x+6y)
Thus I=double integral of curl F * ndS = double integral of curl F *k dA = double integral of (-6x+6y)dA.

I used polar coordinates:
-6 integral from 0 to 2pi integral from 0 to 1 (rcost-rsint) rdrdt. However, this integral equals zero. Is this right?

Is this flux zero?
 
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JaysFan31 said:
Here's my problem:
Take u=(x^3)+(y^3)+(z^2) and v=x+y+z and evaluate the surface integral
double integral of grad(u) x grad(v) ndS where x is the cross product and between the cross product and the ndS there should be a dot product sign.
Is this what you mean: \int\int\nabla u \times\nabla v \cdot \bold{n}dS?

The region S is the hemisphere x^2+y^2+z^2=1 with z greater than or equal to 0 and n has non-negative k component.

Here's my work:
grad(u)=(3x^2)i-(3y^2)j+(2z)k
Where does the minus sign in front of the j component come from? \nabla u=\frac{\partial u}{\partial x}\bold{i}+\frac{\partial u}{\partial y}\bold{j}+\frac{\partial u}{\partial z}\bold{k}
grad(v)= i+j+k
grad(u) x grad (v)= (-3y^2-2z)i+(2z-3x^2)j+(3x^2-3y^2)k
These look correct with the amended form for grad(u)

curl F * k = (-6x+6y)
Thus I=double integral of curl F * ndS = double integral of curl F *k dA = double integral of (-6x+6y)dA.
What's F? You should define anything you introduce. I imagine you've used Stokes' Theorem here, but where?

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I think I would agree the total flux is zero, but I don't see how you are getting it. What does the stated problem have to do with Stokes Theorem? Where did the curl come from? What is F?
 
Yes, the integral that cristo wrote is what I'm looking for.

Can't I just let F=grad(u) x grad (v)= (-3y^2-2z)i+(2z-3x^2)j+(3x^2-3y^2)k?

I made a mistake. u should equal (x^3)-(y^3)+(z^2). That's why I have a negative j component.

If I let F equal the above, isn't this correct?
 
You are integrating F. Not curl(F). So you can't take it to a line integral.
 
See my post to your latest question. grad(u)xgrad(v) is the curl of something. What?
 
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