Stopping a bullet with a field

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The discussion revolves around the theoretical concept of using electric or magnetic fields to alter the trajectory of a bullet or slow it down to prevent injury. Participants explore the feasibility of such a force field, considering both the physics involved and the practicality of generating such a field.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that a sufficiently powerful electric or magnetic field could deflect a bullet or slow it down, posing specific scenarios for calculation.
  • Another participant argues that a bullet without free charge would not be affected by an electric field, but a strong magnetic field might polarize the bullet and exert magnetic pressure on it.
  • A different participant proposes that an extremely large alternating transverse magnetic field could nearly stop a bullet due to the generation of eddy currents in the metallic bullet.
  • One participant references the heating effect on a copper bullet when subjected to a specific amount of kinetic energy, estimating a temperature increase due to energy absorption.
  • There is a mention of existing technologies, such as those used in levitating trains, that utilize similar principles of magnetic braking.
  • Another participant discusses the use of rapidly alternating transverse stationary magnetic fields from permanent magnets, providing specific calculations related to induced eddy currents and energy loss.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness of electric versus magnetic fields in altering a bullet's trajectory, and there is no consensus on the feasibility or practicality of creating such a field. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing ideas presented.

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Participants highlight various assumptions, such as the material properties of the bullet and the nature of the fields applied. There are also references to specific calculations and principles that may not be fully resolved within the discussion.

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So, I was thinking a while ago about force fields. Don't stop reading though, hear me out.

It occurred to me that you could change the course of a bullet in midair if you had a sufficiently powerful electric or magnetic field. The problem, of course, is that it is probably not economically feasible to build such a shield. My question to the physics community is, for fun, to calculate how much energy would be needed to create a field that can do the following:

1a) Deflect a speeding bullet away from centerline of a human being's chest (assume this requires a deflection of 25 cm). This deflection must happen over no more than 1 m of bullet trajectory.

OR

1b) Slow down a speeding bullet so that if it strikes the human being, he does not suffer permanent injury (use your best judgment)

Assume that the bullet has a kinetic energy of 500 Joules and has a velocity of 350 m/s (see http://blog.dotphys.net/2008/10/bullets-have-a-lot-of-kinetic-energy-apparently). Assume the bullet is made of a material that is convenient for interaction with the field, but limited to metals commonly used in bullet manufacturing (such as brass, lead, copper, and steel alloys). You are welcome to ignore air resistance and turbulence effects to simplify the problem.

Once we get some estimates for the amount of energy required to generate such a field, I'd like to consider how this field could be generated from a backpack.

Alternatively, we could come up with some good reasons why this is infeasible using the principles of physics.

NOTE: I don't expect this thought experiment to result in a viable technology. Kevlar makes a lot more sense (and is cheaper) than whatever this field result will do. I'm just curious to consider the physics. If you disagree with doing a thought experiment for fun, don't bother posting.
 
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I think that a very large (extremely large) alternating transverse magnetic field will (nearly) stop it. Because the bullet is metallic, eddy currents will be generated in it when it enters a transverse magnetic field because of dB/dt = dB/dx * dx/dt = v dB/dx.

If the bullet were copper, 500 joules in a 8.16 gram bullet would heat it up about 159 degrees C (the heat capacity is 0.385 joules per gram deg. C) before it stopped.

Bob S
 
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Bob, that sounds like what they use as breaks on levitating trains. I hadn't thought about an alternating field.
 
Bob S said:
I think that a very large (extremely large) alternating transverse magnetic field will (nearly) stop it. Because the bullet is metallic, eddy currents will be generated in it when it enters a transverse magnetic field because of dB/dt = dB/dx * dx/dt = v dB/dx.

If the bullet were copper, 500 joules in a 8.16 gram bullet would heat it up about 159 degrees C (the heat capacity is 0.385 joules per gram deg. C) before it stopped.

Bob S

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Bacat said:
Bob, that sounds like what they use as breaks on levitating trains. I hadn't thought about an alternating field.
I was thinking about rapidly alternating transverse stationary magnetic fields from permanent magnets, such as those used in undulators used in synchrotron light sources:
http://www-xfel.spring8.or.jp/cband/e/Undulator.htm
This one has a maximum vertical field of 0.59 Tesla, and a period of 0.032 meters. So
By=0.59 sin(kx) where k = 2 pi/0.032 =196 radians per meter. So then (see my previous post)
dBy/dx = 0.59 k cos(kx)
The induced eddy currents (using Faraday Law induction of current loops in the metal) are given by the induced voltage squared, so the energy loss by the bullet is (see my prevoious post) proportional to vx [dBy/dx]2, where vx is the bullet velocity.
Bob S
[Edit] See Smythe "Static and Dynamic Electricity" 3rd edition Chapter X for a thorough discussion of eddy currents, and section 10.14 for calculating eddy currents in a rotating conducting disk in a stationary magnetic gap.
 
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