Strength of materials - neutron stars

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the structural integrity and material properties of neutron stars, particularly in the context of their interaction with black holes. Participants explore the effects of tidal forces on neutron stars as they approach black holes, the nature of any resulting fragments, and the properties of neutron star material.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether a neutron star's structure can be disrupted by tidal forces outside the event horizon of a black hole.
  • There are differing views on what the fragments of a disrupted neutron star would look like, with one participant suggesting they might resemble "silly putty."
  • Participants discuss the equation of state for neutron star material, which describes its behavior under varying conditions of density, temperature, and electron fraction.
  • Some argue that magnetic properties of neutron stars are significant, while others suggest that bulk viscosity and thermal conductivity may be less important in certain scenarios.
  • There is uncertainty about whether neutron stars can be classified as solids, with one participant noting that collective effects in nuclear matter complicate this classification.
  • One participant asserts that fragments liberated from a neutron star would not remain stable and would decompose upon release from the star's gravity.
  • Discussion includes references to the unique properties of neutron star crust, which is believed to be significantly stronger than terrestrial materials.
  • There is speculation about the composition of decompressed neutron star material, with references to iron vapor forming under certain conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the effects of tidal forces on neutron stars and the nature of the resulting fragments. The discussion remains unresolved on several key points, including the classification of neutron stars as solids and the stability of liberated fragments.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various papers and models that explore the properties and behavior of neutron star material, indicating limitations in current understanding and the complexity of the subject matter.

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I have a scientific background in materials science. However this is one type of material that we don't exactly learn about!

Let's say you have a neutron star approaching a comparable mass black hole. As the neutron star approaches the event horizon for such a comparable black hole, tidal forces increase extremely quickly.

Can the neutron star's structure be disrupted by tidal forces outside the horizon? If it can, what will the fragments look like and what will be their properties, and how will they differ from that of a bulk neutron star? indeed, what are the material properties (electrical and thermal conductivity as well as their optical, magnetic and mechanical properties) of a bulk neutron star? Can neutron stars be even considered solids?
 
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Neutron stars densities are due to immense gravity. But as the gravity of black hole acts upon, I think it loses its density to become a fragmented mass of neutrons held together..( a neutron star is an atom with no proton!). I don't know of the properties much.
 
chill_factor said:
Can the neutron star's structure be disrupted by tidal forces outside the horizon?

Yes.

If it can, what will the fragments look like and what will be their properties, and how will they differ from that of a bulk neutron star?

My guess is that it's less fragments than "silly putty." Also for neutron star material, there is an equation of state that describes how the material behaves for a given density, temperature, and electron fraction. The black hole is going to strech the neutron star and then you can calculate the reaction of the material.

Indeed, what are the material properties (electrical and thermal conductivity as well as their optical, magnetic and mechanical properties) of a bulk neutron star?

see http://arxiv.org/abs/0807.2343

Also it turns out that if you want to ask what happens if a neutron star hits a black hole, the bulk viscosity, electrical and thermal conductivity are not likely to be important since you can show that they would be much smaller than the turbulent viscosity and radiative and conductive heat transfer.

Magnetic properties are likely to be important, as are optical properties.

The one thing that's hell to simulate is magnetic fields.

Can neutron stars be even considered solids?

Open question. The problem is that solids involve collective effects so we don't know enough about nuclear matter to say how they would behave once you increase the density passed a certain point.
 
You are not going to get stable 'neutronium' from such a process, if that is what you were wondering. Once freed from the immense gravity of the neutron star, any fragments liberated will decompose [i.e., go boom]. The crust of a neutron star is indeed unlike any material found on Earth [or pretty much anywhere elses]. It is believed to be billions of times stronger than steel - e.g., http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0904/0904.1986v1.pdf
 
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thanks for the replies. those are very interesting papers and movies. the 2nd paper is interesting in that they model the neutron star crust as an actual solid. the failure mode is also interesting in that neutron stars are "all or nothing", unlike almost all terrestrial materials which yield over a range.

the movie showed matter being expelled and vaporized. would this be a gas of neutrons?
 
chill_factor said:
the movie showed matter being expelled and vaporized. would this be a gas of neutrons?

iron vapor. Once the density drops then it becomes more stable for the neutrons to form nuclei, so you'd end up with iron vapor.
 

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