String Tension and Pitch: Uncovering the Origins of Physics

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The discussion revolves around the origins of physics, specifically examining the relationship between string tension and pitch as potentially the oldest known physics. Participants explore various historical perspectives on what constitutes the earliest physics, including contributions from the Pythagorean school, Aristotelian mechanics, and geometrical relationships.

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  • One participant suggests that the relation between string tension and pitch, attributed to the Pythagorean school, may represent the oldest known physics.
  • Another participant argues that the empirical discovery of geometrical relationships, which describe properties of space, could be considered the oldest physics, predating Euclid's comprehensive framework.
  • A different viewpoint introduces Aristotelian mechanics as a candidate for the earliest physics, noting the chronological precedence of Pythagoras over Aristotle.
  • One participant proposes that the events surrounding the Big Bang might be viewed as the earliest formulation of physics.
  • Another participant references "A History of Mechanics" by Dugas, stating that Aristotle's works, including 'Physics' and 'Treatise on the Heavens', mark significant early contributions to mechanics, alongside Archimedes' establishment of statics as a theoretical science.

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Participants express differing views on what constitutes the earliest physics, with no consensus reached on a singular definition or historical precedence.

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The discussion highlights the ambiguity in defining "physics" and the historical context of various contributions, which may depend on interpretations and definitions of the discipline.

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Is the oldest known physics the relation between string tension and pitch, first discovered by the Pythagorean school?
 
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I would say that the oldest physics (although it is often seen as "mathematics") is probably the empirical discovery of certain geometrical relationships, which are nothing else but properties of space (before this was cast in a more comprehensive whole by Euclid).
 
Might I assume that you mean the earliest formulation of physics? The earliest physics, in my opinion, would be whatever the hell went on when the Big Bang detonated.
 
According to "A History of Mechanics" by Dugas, the first recorded textbook devoted to mechanics (simple machines) orginates with Aristotle (384-322 BC), "or, more accurately, with the author of the probably acrocryphal treatise called 'Problems of Mechanics'. Aristotle wrote other texts as well, including 'Physics' and 'Treatise on the Heavens'.

Archimedes (287-212 BC) made statics an autonomous theoretical science with his treatise on the lever.
 

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