String Theory: 6 extra dimensions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of six extra dimensions in string theory, particularly focusing on their representation and implications. Participants explore various interpretations of these dimensions, their relationship to our familiar three-dimensional space, and the mathematical and physical frameworks that describe them.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the graphical representation of extra dimensions, questioning whether multiple "extra" dimensions exist at different locations in 3D space.
  • Another participant suggests that the graphical representation is merely a matter of perspective and does not imply that moving in one dimension necessitates movement in others.
  • Some participants propose that the extra dimensions could be interpreted as representing spatial dimensions of the past and future, contributing to a total of ten dimensions including time.
  • A question is raised about whether every point in four-dimensional space has its own local Calabi-Yau (CY) six-space or if there is a shared compactified space for all points.
  • One participant suggests a simplified model using reduced dimensions to illustrate how local CY spaces might function at each point in ordinary space.
  • There is mention of differing views on the nature of extra dimensions, with some suggesting they are small and others proposing a brane-world scenario in an eleven-dimensional space.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the concept of "local copies" of CY spaces at each point in four-dimensional spacetime, emphasizing that the shapes of these local copies are identical.
  • Another participant highlights the role of curled-up dimensions in determining the characteristics of particles, suggesting that different strings vibrate in ways that affect their properties as they traverse spacetime.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the nature and implications of the extra dimensions, with no consensus reached. Some agree on the existence of local CY spaces at each point in spacetime, while others propose different interpretations of how these dimensions interact with our observable universe.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, including the challenges of visualizing higher dimensions and the implications of compactification. There are references to unresolved mathematical steps and the need for further clarification on certain concepts.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those exploring advanced topics in string theory, dimensional analysis, and the mathematical frameworks underlying theoretical physics.

  • #31
arivero said:
Ok, the debunk is as plain as: "it does not follow from the setup of string theory".

Now, I think can understand this idea, and I played with it when young but in a different interpretation (no extra dimensions, but extra generations). The point is to wonder how to reduce second order differencial equations to "0th order". We all know that we add dimensions to reduce n to n-1. And we can see that, in a discrete interpretation of a second order equation, we need the value of the function not only at x, but at other two points, x-delta and x+delta.

So one could expect that a general theory of [discretisation of?] partial differential equations will produce extra dimensions.

But on other hand it seems an excesive overrequisite, if you think that the time coordinate could be already giving you the extra values you need. Really I feel that all of this should have been worked out by mathematicians time ago, and that it is not connected at all with the extra dimensions of string theory. Still, not 99.999%sure.

While at the topic, there is another source for a need of extra dimensions that Motl and myself loved to discuss centuries ago: the generalisation of Nash embedding to non euclidean (and towards minkowskian) spaces.

Thanks, but I understand that string theory valid science and more/less philosophical inference at this point. Which not to say that the 6 extra dimensions are 3d spatial past and future are valid science but on the same level; just a logical alternative. What I'm looking for is the logic that negates that these dimensions that is mathematically necessary in string theory not be described as extra physical dimensions in the here/now, as opposed to the dimension of what was then and what will be in the future.
 

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