String theory: fundemental properties of string

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The discussion revolves around the fundamental properties of strings in string theory, including their tension, labeling with fields or spin, and the concept of velocity. Participants explore how these properties manifest in the context of quantum mechanics and the implications for particle characteristics, such as chirality and mass. The scope includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications related to string dynamics and representation theory.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the tension in a string is constant across all points and whether it is uniform among different strings.
  • There is a discussion on whether strings are labeled with properties such as fields or spin along their length, with some suggesting that strings may not have such labels.
  • One participant proposes that strings can be thought of as a collection of worldlines labeled by a parameter, raising questions about how particles are derived from string modes.
  • Another viewpoint suggests that classical strings possess local properties like vibration and velocity, which may be obscured in quantized string theory.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of string properties on particle characteristics, particularly regarding the mass of right-handed and left-handed neutrinos.
  • Some participants mention the role of representation theory of gauge groups, such as SO(32), in defining internal labels for strings.
  • There is a suggestion that the Hilbert space representation allows for the identification of states with certain properties, complicating the relationship between string modes and particles.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to understand point particles before extending the discussion to strings, drawing parallels with the hydrogen atom and the nature of energy states.
  • There is mention of the complexity introduced by extra dimensions and the quantization of fermions, leading to a multitude of labels in superstring theory.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the properties of strings, the implications of these properties for particle physics, and the relationship between classical and quantized strings. No consensus is reached regarding the fundamental nature of string labeling and its effects on particle characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include unresolved questions about the nature of string tension, the definition of velocity in the context of strings, and the implications of representation theory for particle properties. The discussion also highlights the complexity of relating string theory to established particle physics concepts.

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In string theory, what are the fundamental properties of a string?

Is the tension in the string a constant at all points on the string and the same in all strings?
Is the string "labelled" with fields/spin/etc along its length?
How about "velocity"? Is each 'bit' of the string labelled with a velocity, or is there only a world-sheet? (ie. can we distinquish between a worldsheet that is a cylinder, vs. a "rotating" cylinder with the same points in spacetime)

Trying to find introductory papers, it looks like the strings have no properties besides tension ... which the action ends up being proportional to, so it is not even measureable. If the string really isn't "labelled" with any properties along its length, then it seems like a right handed neutrino and a left handed neutrino would have to have the same mass because the world sheet would look the same either way. What am I missing here?
 
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JustinLevy said:
In string theory, what are the fundamental properties of a string?

Is the tension in the string a constant at all points on the string and the same in all strings?
Is the string "labelled" with fields/spin/etc along its length?
How about "velocity"?

Ok, think how do you solve the question in a worldline, ie in quantum mechanics of a particle. Now think that the string is a bunch of worldlines labeled by a parameter sigma.

JustinLevy said:
Trying to find introductory papers, it looks like the strings have no properties besides tension ... which the action ends up being proportional to, so it is not even measureable. If the string really isn't "labelled" with any properties along its length, then it seems like a right handed neutrino and a left handed neutrino would have to have the same mass because the world sheet would look the same either way. What am I missing here?

1) Internal labels coming from the representation theory of the gauge groups on the strings themselves SO(32) etc.
2) the decomposition in spatial eigenstates, in the same way that you decompose the electron trajectories in an atom to build the chemical orbitals. But now you can have the equivalent of orbitals in the extra dimensions.
 
I think the properties of a string are somehow hidden due to te fact that you normally study a quantized string. But if you keep in mind that quantization starts with a Fourier decomposition it becomes clear that physically a classical string is a "standard" string with "local properties" such as vibration, velocity.

Regarding handedness: I am not an expert but it's clear that deriving handedness is difficult: As fas as I know you need at minimum supersymmetry (to let the string represent a fermion) and you need an heterotic string where the right movers and the left movers on the string behave differently. I have to check how this is represented in other (non-heterotic) theories.
 
arivero said:
Ok, think how do you solve the question in a worldline, ie in quantum mechanics of a particle. Now think that the string is a bunch of worldlines labeled by a parameter sigma.
But that would mean we have to choose ahead of time what 'particle' the string is. Instead we should be able to 'derive' what particle each mode of the string is, no?

arivero said:
1) Internal labels coming from the representation theory of the gauge groups on the strings themselves SO(32) etc.
2) the decomposition in spatial eigenstates, in the same way that you decompose the electron trajectories in an atom to build the chemical orbitals. But now you can have the equivalent of orbitals in the extra dimensions.
I'm not understanding what you mean here.
If SO(32) has representations for all the particles, and there are still multiple energy spatial modes, that would mean an electron itself can have an infinite number of energy states. At the very least it seems to mean the modes themselves are not associated with different particles.

When I look at things like:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstrings#The_mathematics
It looks like there are no labels for the strings besides the "momentum" of the string pieces. I don't see how the theory could distinguish between different chiralities in interactions.
 
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Perhaps the picture is too simply: it is not one classical obejct "string" that appears as a particle, it's the Hilbert space (something like a Fock space) that has a representation where you can identify states (= particles) with certain properties.
 
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JustinLevy said:
But that would mean we have to choose ahead of time what 'particle' the string is. Instead we should be able to 'derive' what particle each mode of the string is, no?

I say, forget first about strings!

Most of your questions apply to point particles. How does a point particle label its velocity if it is an eigenstate of position, or reciprocally? How does the chirality of the particle appear in the equation of a particle moving along a worldline?

If SO(32) has representations for all the particles, and there are still multiple energy spatial modes, that would mean an electron itself can have an infinite number of energy states. At the very least it seems to mean the modes themselves are not associated with different particles.

The answers follow the line suggested my tom.

One you have got the idea for point particles, the next step is to understand it for open strings. Consider the extremes of open strings. Compare, say, with hidrogen atom: two extremes joined by some entity. In the case of the atom the entity is a boson field, and the energy levels of the atom are different, but it moves in space with a given energy, spin, position etc.

Now, finally, strings: populate the line between the two extremes and allow for a tension: you get vibrating excited states. The solutions will be the relativistic version of the harmonics of a string.

Label the extremes. It was proven that, due to extra dimensions and quantisation of fermions, there are 2^(10/2) combinations of labels. (proven by Marcus and Sagnotti).
This is actually a problem for superstrings: they have a lot of labels to choose from! Note that due to a duality, the labeling survives when you close the strings, the SO(32) then relates to E8xE8 in a convoluted way.
 

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