Struggling with arc-connectedness

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The discussion revolves around a problem in the context of finite dimensional normed vector spaces, specifically focusing on the properties of arc-connected subsets. The original poster is tasked with proving that a non-empty subset \( P \) of an arc-connected set \( A \) that is both open and closed must be equal to \( A \).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts a proof by contradiction, exploring the implications of assuming \( P \neq A \). They consider the continuity of a function related to the characteristic function of \( P \) and its implications for arc-connectedness.
  • Some participants suggest examining the properties of \( P \) and its relationship with closed sets in \( A \). There is a focus on the continuity of functions and the nature of the image of arc-connected sets.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing insights that help clarify the original poster's reasoning. The discussion has led to a realization about the continuity of the characteristic function and its implications for the arc-connectedness of the set \( \{0,1\} \). There is no explicit consensus yet, but the dialogue appears to be productive.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the definitions and properties of open and closed sets within the framework of arc-connectedness, questioning assumptions about the nature of the sets involved and their intersections.

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Homework Statement



Let ##(E,N)## a finite dimensional normed vector space. Let ##A## be an arc-connected subset of ##E##, and ##P## be a non-empty subset of ##A## that is both open and close in ##A##. Show that ##P=A##

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By contradiction, I assume ##P\neq A##, which is ##C_A(P) \neq \emptyset##.

I'd like to find a continuous function from ##A## to a subset of ##S## of ## \mathbb{R}## that is not a segment.
This would be a contradiction because the image of an arc-connected set by a continuous function is arc-connected, and the arc-connected sets of ##\mathbb{R}## are segments.

I tried with the caracteristic function of ##P##, but I believe it doesn't work because for any open set ##O## of ##\mathbb{R}##, ##f^{-1}(O)\in\{\emptyset, P,C_A(P), A \}##, and for now, I can't convince myself that ##C_A(P)## is an open set of ##A##.

Do you have any idea please ?
 
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geoffrey159 said:
I tried with the caracteristic function of ##P##, but I believe it doesn't work because for any open set ##O## of ##\mathbb{R}##, ##f^{-1}(O)\in\{\emptyset, P,C_A(P), A \}##, and for now, I can't convince myself that ##C_A(P)## is an open set of ##A##.
I think you are almost there ...
Think of all the known properties of ##P##.
 
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I think that thanks to you, I have that last point that bothered me :
Since ##P## is closed in ##A##, there exists a closed set ##C## of ## E## such that ## P = C \cap A##.
So ##C_A(P) = C_E(P) \cap A = (C_E(C) \cup C_E(A))\cap A = C_E(C) \cap A ##.
But ##C_E(C)## is an open set of ##E##. Therefore ##C_A(P) ## is open in ##A##.

So now I am sure that the caracteristic function is continuous from ##A\rightarrow \{0,1\}## which is absurd because ##\{0,1\}## is not arc-connected.

Do you agree ?
 
geoffrey159 said:
I think that thanks to you, I have that last point that bothered me :
Since ##P## is closed in ##A##, there exists a closed set ##C## of ## E## such that ## P = C \cap A##.
So ##C_A(P) = C_E(P) \cap A = (C_E(C) \cup C_E(A))\cap A = C_E(C) \cap A ##.
But ##C_E(C)## is an open set of ##E##. Therefore ##C_A(P) ## is open in ##A##.

So now I am sure that the caracteristic function is continuous from ##A\rightarrow \{0,1\}## which is absurd because ##\{0,1\}## is not arc-connected.

Do you agree ?
Yes, looks OK to me.
 
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Thanks!
 

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