Struggling with Math: Any Book Recommendations?

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for mathematics books suitable for someone transitioning from high school to university, particularly addressing gaps in understanding fundamental concepts. Participants express concerns about various mathematical topics, including subtraction of negative numbers, implicit differentiation, and the basic counting principle.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the operation of subtracting negative numbers, seeking a clearer explanation of why 5 - (-2) equals 5 + 2.
  • Another participant suggests that subtracting a number is equivalent to adding its opposite, providing examples to illustrate this point.
  • Concerns are raised about understanding implicit differentiation, with one participant explaining it as an application of the chain rule and providing a mathematical example.
  • There is a request for clarification on the basic counting principle, with one participant suggesting a tree diagram as a potential intuitive approach.
  • Several participants recommend books, including "Finite Math and Applied Calculus" by Waner and Costenoble, and mention other resources like Khan Academy for foundational learning.
  • Discussions about significant digits arise, with participants questioning how exact numbers relate to significant figures and the implications for measurement accuracy.
  • One participant mentions "Spivak's Calculus" as a potential resource that constructs principles from scratch, while others share their experiences with mathematical texts.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on specific book recommendations, and there are varying opinions on how to approach the understanding of mathematical concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best resources and methods for bridging knowledge gaps.

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Some participants express uncertainty about the definitions of significant digits and the implications of exact numbers, indicating a need for further clarification on these topics.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students transitioning from high school to university mathematics, educators seeking resources for teaching foundational concepts, and anyone interested in improving their understanding of mathematical principles.

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Hi, I've studied mathematics at high school and I will start university next year. I'm worried about my mathematical knowledge in general. There are many "gaps" which lead to confusion.

To give you some examples:
1) I've difficulty understanding why, for instance, 5 - (-2) = 5 + 2. The only explanation I have is: 5 - (-2) = 5 + -1*(-1*2) = 5 + (-1*-1)*2 = 5+2.
2) I can't really intuitively understand implicit differentiation.
3) I've difficulty grasping the basic counting principle, etc...

I need a book which starts from the very bottom (covering many topics) and explains why some rules are the way they are. I'm thinking to buy Finite Math and Applied Calculus by Stefan Waner and Steven Costenoble. What's your opinion about the book?

Can you recommend me other books?
Thanks for reading.
 
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I can't really think of any books, but I think Khan Academy could help whith a lot of your problems. It's free, and there are a lot of videos that can help make ideas more intuitive. I recommend you try it out.
 
Atran said:
Hi, I've studied mathematics at high school and I will start university next year. I'm worried about my mathematical knowledge in general. There are many "gaps" which lead to confusion.

To give you some examples:
1) I've difficulty understanding why, for instance, 5 - (-2) = 5 + 2. The only explanation I have is: 5 - (-2) = 5 + -1*(-1*2) = 5 + (-1*-1)*2 = 5+2.
This is really the long way around. For subtraction, all you need to know is that subtracting a number is the same as (i.e., gives the same result) as adding the opposite of the number.

Some examples
6 - 4 = 6 + (-4) = 2 Here, -4 is the "opposite" (additive inverse is the proper term) of 4.
5 - (-2) = 5 + [-(-2)] = 5 + 2 = 7 The opposite of -2 is 2.
Atran said:
2) I can't really intuitively understand implicit differentiation.
This is a long way in complexity from adding and subtracting signed numbers, but it's not really that complicated. In implicit differentiation you are making the assumption that all variables are differentiable functions of some independent variable, typically x.

For example, starting from xy2 = 3, we are assuming that y is a differentiable (its derivative exists) function of x.

Differentiating both sides with respect to x yields:
d/dx(xy2) = d/dx(3)
==> x * 2y * dy/dx + y2 * dx/dx = 0
==> 2xy * dy/dx + y2 = 0

Now all that's left is to solve the equation above for dy/dx.
Atran said:
3) I've difficulty grasping the basic counting principle, etc...
Can you be more specific?

Math books typically don't start from very basic algebra (such as addition of signed numbers) and go all the way through calculus. You might need a book for basic algebra, one for precalculus (including trig), and one for calculus. Alternatively, or together with, you could look at the topics in Khan Academy, as the previous poster suggested.
Atran said:
I need a book which starts from the very bottom (covering many topics) and explains why some rules are the way they are. I'm thinking to buy Finite Math and Applied Calculus by Stefan Waner and Steven Costenoble. What's your opinion about the book?

Can you recommend me other books?
Thanks for reading.
 
Atran said:
Hi, I've studied mathematics at high school and I will start university next year. I'm worried about my mathematical knowledge in general. There are many "gaps" which lead to confusion.

To give you some examples:
1) I've difficulty understanding why, for instance, 5 - (-2) = 5 + 2. The only explanation I have is: 5 - (-2) = 5 + -1*(-1*2) = 5 + (-1*-1)*2 = 5+2.
2) I can't really intuitively understand implicit differentiation.
3) I've difficulty grasping the basic counting principle, etc...

I need a book which starts from the very bottom (covering many topics) and explains why some rules are the way they are. I'm thinking to buy Finite Math and Applied Calculus by Stefan Waner and Steven Costenoble. What's your opinion about the book?

Can you recommend me other books?
Thanks for reading.
1) Imagine a number line, pretending that "right" is the positive direction and "left" is the negative direction. Consider a real number, ##n##. To subtract a number ##m## from ##n##, to obtain ##n-m##, we start at ##n## on the number line and go to the left ##m## units. If ##m## is negative, then it is like we are moving ##m## units to the opposite of left. In other words, subtracting a negative number is like walking backward on the number line.

2) It's just an application of the chain rule. For example, if we have a circle given by ##x^2+y^2=r^2##, and we want to find the slope of that circle at a point. We just apply the derivative to both sides of the equation, obtaining ##\frac{d}{dx}\left[x^2+y^2\right]=2x+\frac{d}{dx}\left[y^2\right]=2x+\frac{d(y^2)}{dy}\frac{dy}{dx}= 2x+2y\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{d}{dx}\left[r^2\right]=0##, assuming that r is a constant. Then, we solve for ##\frac{dy}{dx}##, obtaining ##\frac{dy}{dx}=\frac{-x}{y}##.

3) If you imagine possible events in the form of a tree, it becomes fairly intuitive.

I've heard that Spivak's Calculus constructs many principles of numbers from scratch. I can't say that I've personally read it, but fellow forumer micromass suggested it, along with Lang's Basic Mathematics, in a somewhat similar thread, and he's almost always right. I have an introduction to differential geometry by Spivak that periodically oozes masses of mathematical awesomeness whenever I open it, so I would not be surprised if his calculus book is excellent as well.
 
Thank you all for the answers.

Mark44 said:
Can you be more specific?
I need to know how a mathematician thinks it or to see it from a mathematician's point of view.

Does an exact number have an infinite number of significant digits?
Suppose 0.5±0.25, then 0.25≤x≤0.75: Is it correct to infer, given 0.245 and 0.755 being exact values, 0.245≤x<0.755?
 
Atran said:
Thank you all for the answers.


I need to know how a mathematician thinks it or to see it from a mathematician's point of view.

Does an exact number have an infinite number of significant digits?
Suppose 0.5±0.25, then 0.25≤x≤0.75: Is it correct to infer, given 0.245 and 0.755 being exact values, 0.245≤x<0.755?
If a number is on the interval ##[\frac{1}{4},\frac{3}{4})##, then it is definitely on the interval ##[0.245,0.755)##. Somehow, though, I don't think this is what you are asking.

An "exact" number doesn't involve significant digits. For example, in reality, 5 has 1 significant digit. In math, though, we actually mean that 5 is 5 and there is no error in the measurement obtaining that number. So, if you want to think about it in terms of significant digits, 5=5.000000000...
 
I meant that if, for example, x=2.0 is a measurement with two significant figures, then x can be any value between (1.95) and (2.05): 1.95≤x<2.05 or 1.95≤x≤2.04.
Am I thinking right?
 
Atran said:
I meant that if, for example, x=2.0 is a measurement with two significant figures, then x can be any value between (1.95) and (2.05): 1.95≤x<2.05 or 1.95≤x≤2.04.
Am I thinking right?
Pretty close. The 2.0 measurement indicates that x could be anywhere between 1.95 and 2.05, as you wrote. That would be 1.95 ≤ x ≤ 2.05.
 
Mandelbroth said:
I have an introduction to differential geometry by Spivak that periodically oozes masses of mathematical awesomeness whenever I open it
ewwwwwww
 
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WannabeNewton said:
ewwwwwww
It's the good kind that smells like strawberries. :-p
 
  • #11
Mandelbroth said:
It's the good kind that smells like strawberries. :-p
If it oozes anything, it's ew :-p
 
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Mark44 said:
Pretty close. The 2.0 measurement indicates that x could be anywhere between 1.95 and 2.05, as you wrote. That would be 1.95 ≤ x ≤ 2.05.

So do 1.95 and 2.05 consist of three significant digits? Or are the two values "exact"?
Because if each has three significant figures then 1.95 is any value between 1.945 and 1.955, and for x: 1.945 ≤ x, which is wrong since 1.95 ≤ x.
 
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It would be great if you could read the first chapter in Spivak's Calculus. He gives you a rather intuitive understanding of the properties of real numbers, and inequalities. Also are you aware that significant figures is a method to help maintain an significant values through out a calculation where measurements are involved.?

A number like 5 has no significant value what-so-ever. However, if I got that number 5 came from a ruler and that ruler was accurate to two more decimal places, then we would write 5.00 (units) to demonstrate the accuracy of the ruler. So note that when working with purely mathematical numbers where measurement is not involved, then the idea of significant figures does not come into play at all.
 
  • #14
It becomes much clear when you think about number lines. Especially with negative numbers and letters. Here is an example of number lines: Number lines
 

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