Stuck doing parametric natural log graphs

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the elimination of parameters in parametric equations involving natural logarithms and exponential functions. The original poster expresses difficulty in manipulating the equations to derive a relationship between x and y.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore different methods to eliminate the parameter t from the equations x = e^t and y = e^{3t}. Some suggest using properties of logarithms, while others question the necessity of logarithmic manipulation altogether.

Discussion Status

There appears to be a productive exchange of ideas, with some participants providing insights into the relationships between the variables. Guidance has been offered regarding the use of logarithmic properties, and multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Some participants mention a lack of recent practice with logarithmic functions, which may contribute to the confusion. The original poster also notes that they are working on a specific homework problem related to parametric graphs.

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Homework Statement
I haven’t done logs in a few month and let alone with parametric graphs. I am having trouble with this problem. #35
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X=e^t, y=e^3t
I got stuck when i eliminated the parameter.
 

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Witcher said:
I got stuck
in full sight of the harbour as they say in shipping language: ##y = e^{3\log x}## should remind you of something like ##e^{ab} = e^{ba}##

[edit]I use ##\log## for e based logarithms. Only engineers confuse e and 10, which is why they need ##\log## and ##\ln## :smile: .
 
You have [itex]x= e^t[/itex] and [itex]y= e^{3t}= (e^t)^3[/itex] so [itex]y= x^3[/itex]. I don't see any reason to use logarithms.
 
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You can keep “e^t” and isolate t without using logrithms?
 
Witcher said:
You can keep “e^t” and isolate t without using logrithms?
Yes, because you don't need to isolate t. As has already been explained, ##e^{3t} = (e^t)^3##, so you can write y in terms of x, getting rid of the parameter t.
 
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Witcher said:
Homework Statement:: I haven’t done logs in a few month and let alone with parametric graphs. I am having trouble with this problem. #35
Homework Equations:: X=e^t, y=e^3t

I got stuck when i eliminated the parameter.
Hello, @Witcher . I see that you've been a member for a couple of months, but why not give you a welcome?
:welcome:

You have been led to and/or given shorter ways to the answer, but your start was OK.

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Recall that ##\ \ C\cdot \ln(x) = \ln(x^C) ##.

Apply that to ##\ \ 3(\ln(x)) ##, and proceed .
 
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I get it now but it wasn’t easy, my instinct was to Ln both sides when i seen the e

Thanks.
 
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Witcher said:
I get it now but it wasn’t easy, my instinct was to Ln both sides when i seen the e.

Thanks.
As I mentioned, the path you started down was fine. It makes sense to work with the logarithm rules you may currently be studying and/or those rules you are most familiar with.

Carrying on from where you left off, (with ##\displaystyle y=e^{3(\ln(x))} ##):

You then have ##\displaystyle y=e^{\ln(x^3)} ##.

The final result follows immediately. (I hope.)
 
One can also use the fact that ##a^{bc}=(a^b)^c##.
 

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