Study Maths & Physics: How to Proceed?

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The discussion centers on the transition from introductory calculus to more advanced mathematical analysis, specifically regarding the suitability of various textbooks for a university-level study in Mathematics and Physics. Participants explore preferences for different styles of mathematical writing and the implications of skipping traditional calculus in favor of analysis texts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses a preference for more formal approaches to calculus, suggesting a desire to skip traditional calculus texts like Spivak's in favor of analysis books like Hardy's or Rudin's.
  • Another participant argues that Spivak's calculus can be considered an analysis book due to its rigor, and suggests that enjoyment of a book's style is important for learning.
  • Some participants caution that while it may be possible to start with Rudin, foundational computational exercises from calculus are valuable for developing intuition and understanding in analysis.
  • One participant acknowledges the difficulty of Rudin's text, noting its lack of intuitive explanations and challenging exercises, but expresses confidence in their ability to seek additional resources when needed.
  • A later reply indicates that the participant finds the foundational concepts in Hardy's and Rudin's books exciting and plans to work through multiple texts simultaneously.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the importance of personal preference in choosing textbooks, but there is disagreement on whether skipping traditional calculus is advisable. Some believe foundational calculus is essential, while others feel confident in moving directly to analysis.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention varying levels of enjoyment and difficulty associated with different texts, indicating that personal learning styles and preferences may significantly influence their study approaches. There is also a recognition of the potential gaps in understanding that may arise from skipping traditional calculus.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students transitioning from high school mathematics to university-level mathematics and physics, particularly those considering which textbooks to use for their studies in analysis and calculus.

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Hello there! I will be studying Mathematics and Physics in University in approximately 2 months. I really enjoy Mathematics and have done some introductory Calculus. I have looked into Spivak's book "Calculus" and, although written very well, I just tent to find Calculus boring. However, when looking at books like Hardy's "A Course of Pure Mathematics" or Rudin's "Principles of Mathematical Analysis", I find these to be far more entertaining. Now, it is my understanding that Real Analysis is generally a more formal approach to Calculus (which I very much prefer). Is it possible to simply skip the "formalized" (from high school at least) Calculus in books like Spivak's and start an Analysis course in something like the books mentioned above. Is that a wise move or will I be missing important topics not found in Analysis books? Thank you.
 
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Despite his name, I consider Spivak's calculus to be an analysis book. At the very least, it's some kind of intro to analysis. It is far more rigorous than things like Stewart.

However, everybody likes different styles of books. It might be that you consider Spivak to be boring and Rudin to be very entertaining (although many people are exactly the other way around). In that case, I would suggest you to read the book you enjoy most.

If you start reading Rudin now, you won't miss anything important. I guess it only misses some computational exercises.

Be warned though, Rudin is quite a difficult book. It doesn't explain intuition at all. He does his proofs in the most elegant ways, and these ways are often not the most understandable. For example, while reading a proof of Rudin, you may say things like: wow, we're lucky we had this little trick otherwise the proof will not have worked.
Furthermore, the exercises of Rudin are very hard (but Spivak's exercises are also hard).

But if you feel ready for Rudin, then go for it!
 
For most people, even though it is boring, it is good to do some computational calculus exercises. Those give intuition and lots and lots of examples/counter examples for analysis.
 
micromass said:
Despite his name, I consider Spivak's calculus to be an analysis book. At the very least, it's some kind of intro to analysis. It is far more rigorous than things like Stewart.

However, everybody likes different styles of books. It might be that you consider Spivak to be boring and Rudin to be very entertaining (although many people are exactly the other way around). In that case, I would suggest you to read the book you enjoy most.

If you start reading Rudin now, you won't miss anything important. I guess it only misses some computational exercises.

Be warned though, Rudin is quite a difficult book. It doesn't explain intuition at all. He does his proofs in the most elegant ways, and these ways are often not the most understandable. For example, while reading a proof of Rudin, you may say things like: wow, we're lucky we had this little trick otherwise the proof will not have worked.
Furthermore, the exercises of Rudin are very hard (but Spivak's exercises are also hard).

But if you feel ready for Rudin, then go for it!

Thank you very much for your response Micromass. I actually started doing a lot of work in Spivak's book and the exercises are fun, there is no question. However, as soon as I opened Hardy's or Rudin's books, I just find the building of the Real numbers and the introductions to Set Theory so exciting. Personally, I feel that some of the problems in Spivak's book are too computational (although the first chapter had a lot of what I consider to be Number Theory problems which I also find extremely fun). The lack of intuitive approach in Rudin's books does not really bother me. If I ever find myself not totally grasping a concept, I rarely stick to the book I'm reading to find a solution. Rather, I go online and look at articles or videos regarding such a concept. I then dwell on it in my bed for some time until something "clicks". I will likely keep moving through Spivak's book but I will also be working through Rudin's or Hardy's simultaneously simply because I find it adrenaline pumping (like when I found out that there are infinite sets that vary in size through "Introductory Real Analysis" by the two Russian authors). Regardless, thank you both for your responses.
 

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