Studying Spivak: Calculus on Manifolds & Diff Geom, Worth It?

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The discussion revolves around the value of purchasing Spivak's "Calculus on Manifolds" and "Introduction to Differential Geometry Volume 1" for studying differential geometry. Participants share their experiences and opinions on the content and utility of these texts.

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  • One participant expresses appreciation for Spivak's writing style and seeks advice on whether to purchase his books for studying differential geometry.
  • Another participant recommends "Calculus on Manifolds" as a small, readable, and highly recommended book, while also noting the extensive nature of the five-volume series on differential geometry.
  • A suggestion is made to consider borrowing the books from a library instead of purchasing them.
  • It is mentioned that "Calculus on Manifolds" is a definitive treatment of vector calculus for those planning to study differential geometry, but it may take years to fully engage with the comprehensive differential geometry volumes.
  • Participants highlight the extensive content of Spivak's comprehensive book, noting it covers topics beyond differential geometry, including algebraic topology and Lie groups, along with insightful exercises.
  • Specific volumes are discussed, with emphasis on the classic nature of volume 2, which addresses Gauss and Riemann's work, while later volumes cover various advanced topics.

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Participants generally agree on the quality and depth of Spivak's works, but there is no consensus on whether purchasing the books is necessary or if library access would suffice. The discussion reflects a range of opinions on the value of the texts.

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Some participants note the extensive length and complexity of the five-volume series, suggesting that it may not be suitable for all learners without supplementary materials. There are also references to specific topics covered in the volumes, which may influence their perceived value.

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After studying Calculus by Spivak, I was enlightened by his writing style. Just wondering is his books "Calculus on Manifolds" and "Introduction to Differential Geometry Volume 1" worth purchasing if i plan to study diff geom?
 
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calcuus on manifolds is a small readable book for a small price. it is highly recommended.

the 5 volume book on differential geometry is a classic, especially volume 2 which translates and explains riemanns own original treatment of the curvature tensor, there is nothing like it anywhwere else.

but it is up to you to decide if a 5 volume 2000-3000 page is worth it to you. at best it will take you years to read all of it. i suggest starting with volumes 1 and 2.
 
or look at it in the library.
 
I have never found anything like Spivak (although Apostol and Courant are great for calculus as well). "Calculus on Manifolds" is pretty much the definitive treatment of vector calculus for those planning to study differential geometry. As said above, his comprehensive treatment of differential geometry is a classic and contains just as many insightful exercises and exacting yet intuitive definitions and theorems as his previous works, but is very long! :D Don't try to learn the subject from there unless you plan to take a few years. Get a shorter companion book to differential geometry as well. These volumes will then help you master the subject.
 
notice his comprehensive book really is comprehensive. it covers a lot besides diff geom proper. the whole first volume is on differentiable manifolds and related topics, including algebraic topology via differential forms, i.e. de rham theory, and i believe a tiny sample of lie groups.

he throws in problems with hints on useful topics like comoputing the dimension of avrious matrix groups. it is very sueful.

then volume 2 is the classic on gauss and riemanns work with modern explanatiions. this is actually as far as the course went. the next three volumes wre written afterwards.

vol 3 is a treatment of classical surfaces in 3 spoace i believe. 4 i don't know, and 5 is i believe on characteristic classes via forms, cherns original approach by the way, culminating in the general gauss bonnet theorem. there is also a section called a word from our sponsor on pde.
 

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