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Tom Brady has NOT thrown enough footballs in his career to sense a two psi difference in inflation pressure? Anybody believe that?
 
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I, uhhh, don't follow sports so I have no idea what you just said.
 
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Oh, of course! Pounds per square inch, ok.
 
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Nobody touches Tom Brady's balls without his knowledge or consent.
 
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The league takes this stuff seriously. It's not some minor misstep like repeatedly beating or raping people
 
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Tom Brady has NOT thrown enough footballs in his career to sense a two psi difference in inflation pressure? Anybody believe that?
May be he's always used underinflated balls. ?:)

The NFL specifications say they must be inflated to 12½ to 13½ pounds, or about 13 psi.

Two psi under would definitely feel different.
 
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Does anyone know if there's a standard they use to measure football pressure? How long does it take for the footballs to condition to constant temperature? Is pigskin really used to make them, and is there a way to determine the rate pigskin leaks air, especially while it's in use? Is there an actual pigskin standard? When the pressure was measured after the game, did they do that to all the balls? Is it routine to do so? My god, am I actually thinking this much about footballs?
 
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Does anyone know if there's a standard they use to measure football pressure? How long does it take for the footballs to condition to constant temperature? Is pigskin really used to make them, and is there a way to determine the rate pigskin leaks air, especially while it's in use? Is there an actual pigskin standard? When the pressure was measured after the game, did they do that to all the balls? Is it routine to do so? My god, am I actually thinking this much about footballs?
One week ago it would have counted as deep football nerdery. Now, though, the procedure by which officials confirm the air pressure inside game balls ...
How Officials Check Ball Pressure

The video here looks real scientific, NOT.

I'd be using this. :devil:

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I'd like to know if they even consider this: "How long does it take for the footballs to condition to constant temperature?"
 
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is there a way to determine the rate pigskin leaks air,
That's the big question that crossed my mind: equipment manager inflates balls, and they're supposedly checked; stored on sideline through game, can moisture freeze in the "valves" and slowly leak down? And, there's no provision for checking?

Officials spotting balls should be noticing something as well, come to think of it. A new ritual to go with the coin toss, the ball check --- why not a random ball selector a la lottery machines? Both teams throw in the balls they've prepared for the game, each play, officials pick a random ball to spot, end of play, that ball goes back in the randomizer.
 
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http://nypost.com/2015/01/22/ex-players-react-bradys-cluelessness-unbelievable/

Ex-players react: Brady‘s cluelessness ‘unbelievable’
By Howie Kussoy


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Tom Brady, Brian Dawkins (top right) and Mark Brunell (bottom right) Photo: AP (2); Getty Images

For more than a decade, Tom Brady has established himself as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, one of the sport’s most popular and respected players. On Wednesday, Brady may have jeopardized his credibility for good.

Like Patriots coach Bill Belichick, Brady denied having anything to do with footballs being deflated in the AFC Championship Game and denied knowing it had occurred until the next day, but to the quarterback’s former peers, the NFL’s golden boy lost some of the luster he had earned in his 15-year career.

“I did not believe what Tom had to say,” former quarterback and ESPN analyst Mark Brunell said. “Those balls were deflated. Someone had to do it and I don’t believe there’s an equipment manager in the NFL that would on his own initiative deflate a ball without the starting quarterback’s approval. I just didn’t believe what Tom Brady had to say.”

Former Steelers running back Jerome Bettis added, “I’m so disappointed because I thought this was a perfect opportunity for Tom Brady to go and say, ‘You know what? I made a mistake. I blew it. It’s on me. I’ll take the blame here, and this will go away.’ He didn’t do that … I’m disappointed in you, Tom Brady.”

Fellow ESPN analyst Brian Dawkins said it was “unbelievable” for Brady not to be aware when he touched the balls every play, while Hall of Famer Troy Aikman agreed that the balls would not be altered unless Brady had instructed an equipment manager to do so.

“It’s obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this,” Aikman told a Dallas radio station — before either of Brady’s or Belichick’s denials. “For the balls to be deflated, that doesn’t happen unless the quarterback wants that to happen, I can assure you of that. Now the question becomes: Did Bill Belichick know about it?”

Incredibly, the already tarnished Belichick left his press conference earlier in the day with more plausible deniability, particularly to quarterbacks familiar with the ball-picking process.

“I listened to Bill Belichick and I believed every word he said,” eight-year NFL pro Matt Leinart told The Post. “Not once did a head coach ever have any input in that. It’s strictly a quarterback-to-equipment-manager thing and that’s pretty universal. Those are the only two guys that have any part of that process.

“You go through the whole bag and you literally handpick them and say, ‘This one is good, this one’s too hard, put a little bit of air in that one, take a little bit out. … It’s a full 20-minute process to make sure on Sunday you have the exact football you want to be throwing. Quarterbacks are very, very picky about how they want their ball and that goes on everywhere.”

Leinart, now an analyst with Fox Sports, said he saw numerous things done to balls in his career, including being rubbed with varying substances and thrown in dryers, to get the right feel. He said he didn’t consider it cheating because “every team doctors up the ball to the liking of their quarterback” and that while deflation would help Brady with his grip, it would take away velocity and distance on throws.

Nevertheless, Ravens defensive end Chris Canty — whose team lost to the Patriots in the AFC divisional round — thinks it is just another example of New England’s willingness to do anything to gain an unfair edge.

“The Patriots are habitual line-steppers,” Canty said while appearing on NBCSN on Wednesday. “If the allegations are true, then you are talking about attacking the integrity of our game and I have an issue with that.

“What I’m going to say about the deflating of the balls, to me there is no difference than performance-enhancing drugs. You are cheating at that point. You are getting a competitive advantage outside of the rule book and there has to be some sort of consequences for that.”

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Troy Aikman

Aikman thinks the consequences should be harsher than the suspensions handed to the Saints for Bountygate in 2012, when NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell claimed ignorance was not an excuse.

“Sean Payton did not cheat,” Aikman said of the Saints coach who was suspended an entire year. “There was nothing that Sean Payton and the Saints did that was illegal. And they did not give themselves a competitive edge.

“Now twice, under Bill Belichick and possibly a third time, they’ve cheated and given themselves an advantage. To me, the punishment for the Patriots and/or Bill Belichick has to be more severe than what the punishment was for the New Orleans Saints.”

After a season filled with scandals — including Goodell’s indefensible decision to initially suspend Ray Rice two games in the former Ravens running back’s domestic violence case — Aikman thinks enormous pressure is on Goodell, especially due to his friendship with Patriots owner Robert Kraft.

“There’s a lot of coaches and a lot of people that look upon the Patriots as a team that’s been favored in some of the things that have happened — I thought the punishment he got for Spygate was a slap on the wrist, was next to nothing — so we’ll see,” Aikman said.
 
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Tom Brady has NOT thrown enough footballs in his career to sense a two psi difference in inflation pressure? Anybody believe that?
Considering he specified in the press conference exactly what [legal] pressure he prefers (12.5 psi), no.

Folow-up question: anyone think it will take any less than slightly longer than 2 weeks for the NFL to investigate this and conclude if there was wrongdoing?
 
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The league takes this stuff seriously. It's not some minor misstep like repeatedly beating or raping people
Rape and spousal abuse? Unimportant. Twitter and Youtube, on the other hand, are potentially catastrophic.
 
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Rape and spousal abuse? Unimportant. Twitter and Youtube, on the other hand, are potentially catastrophic.
For the NFL to lose its tax-exempt status, now that would be a true catastrophe! :rolleyes:
 
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any less than slightly longer than 2 weeks
Not A chance.
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WHAT? No. No. Uh-uh. No. Can't be. Is it?
 
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Does anyone know if there's a standard they use to measure football pressure? How long does it take for the footballs to condition to constant temperature? Is pigskin really used to make them, and is there a way to determine the rate pigskin leaks air, especially while it's in use? Is there an actual pigskin standard? When the pressure was measured after the game, did they do that to all the balls? Is it routine to do so? My god, am I actually thinking this much about footballs?
Although American footballs are nicknamed 'pigskins', there is no evidence that any actual pigs are or were involved in their manufacture (at least for modern balls).

Like all inflatable balls made for various sports, the actual construction is composite. There is a rubber bladder inserted under the outer covering, which bladder is what actually contains the compressed air when the ball is inflated.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_(ball)

And there is an article (with video!) which discusses the making of footballs:

http://www.popsci.com/entertainment-amp-gaming/article/2009-01/making-football
 
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Tom Brady has NOT thrown enough footballs in his career to sense a two psi difference in inflation pressure? Anybody believe that?
Maybe it was an honest mistake - like checking the pressure while they were in a 200 degree oven. :oldtongue:
 
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I think the more interesting question here is, if deflated balls supposedly are more beneficial to the team on offense, how did the Patriots make sure the balls were deflated when they had the ball, but when the ball was in the Colts' control, it was

1. magically re-inflated to proper pressure, or
2. the Colts offense was too inept to take advantage of a deflated ball to boost their offense like the Patriots allegedly did.

What did Dreamboat know and when did he know it? Is there any possibility that Gisele is behind this?
 
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I think the more interesting question here is, if deflated balls supposedly are more beneficial to the team on offense, how did the Patriots make sure the balls were deflated when they had the ball, but when the ball was in the Colts' control, it was

1. magically re-inflated to proper pressure, or
2. the Colts offense was too inept to take advantage of a deflated ball to boost their offense like the Patriots allegedly did.

What did Dreamboat know and when did he know it? Is there any possibility that Gisele is behind this?
Each team uses its own set when they are playing offense.
 
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Does anyone know if there's a standard they use to measure football pressure? How long does it take for the footballs to condition to constant temperature? Is pigskin really used to make them, and is there a way to determine the rate pigskin leaks air, especially while it's in use? Is there an actual pigskin standard? When the pressure was measured after the game, did they do that to all the balls? Is it routine to do so? My god, am I actually thinking this much about footballs?
Pigskin as in literal skin from a pig? No, it's a synthetic material now.

As for your other questions, yes. They take that stuff all extremely seriously.
 
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Each team uses its own set when they are playing offense.
This is correct. It is why no one noticed until the ball was intercepted. It makes Tom Brady's story even more unbelievable. A linebacker, who almost never handles the football, could immediately tell the ball was underinflated, yet a quarterback, who handles it constantly, cannot?
 
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May be he's always used underinflated balls. ?:)
Perhaps there was a change in 2006/2007.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/deflat...-why-patriots-don-t-fumble-003107565-nfl.html
Sharp’s idea was to look at fumbles. That led him to a more refined topic: how well the Patriots held onto the ball both before and after the 2006 season, which happened to be the year Brady and Peyton Manning pushed for a rule change which allowed each team to provide their own footballs for games.

“Something significant changed from 2006 to 2007 that allowed them to retain the football,” Sharp said by phone Tuesday, “and that continues today.”
 
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Tom Brady has NOT thrown enough footballs in his career to sense a two psi difference in inflation pressure? Anybody believe that?
I used to play Magic the Gathering, which is a card game. You're allowed to have as many cards in your deck as you want, but the minimum is 60, and that's the amount me and my friends always played with. Strategically, you want as few cards as possible so the card combinations you have in the deck are most likely to come up.
Well, we played so much that if I had 61 cards in my deck, or 59 cards in my deck, I could tell just by holding the deck. If I had 2 cards extra, the deck felt huge. 2 cards missing and it felt very small.
We also used pennies as life counters, and they were in a box that we would reach into to grab the initial starting life for the game, which was 20. I could reach in and grab a handful of pennies and know just by feeling it if I needed to drop a couple or pick a couple more up. I would count them anyway to make sure, but I could pick up exactly 20 pennies, just from feel, most of the time.
Does he know two PSI was missing from the football? Yes. He would know if a quarter of a PSI was missing from a football.
 

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