Sub groups of the dihedral group

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The discussion centers on the structure of the dihedral group Dm, specifically the relationship between its subgroups and . It is established that Dm can be represented as Dm = ⟨r, s | r^m = s^2 = srsr = 1⟩, indicating that all elements can be expressed in terms of the generators r and s. The participants clarify that the product of the subgroups ⟨r⟩ and ⟨s⟩ does not form a direct product due to the non-normality of one of the subgroups. Consequently, no theorem is required to assert the relationship between Dm and its subgroups.

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Homework Statement


This is only a step in a proof I am trying to make.

Let Dm be the dihedral group.
r is the rotation of 2π/m around the origin and s is a reflexion about a line passing trough a vertex and the origin.

Let<s> and <r> be two subgroups of Dm.

Is there a theorem that states that Dm = <r><s>

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Thanks for the help
 
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AllRelative said:

Homework Statement


This is only a step in a proof I am trying to make.

Let Dm be the dihedral group.
r is the rotation of 2π/m around the origin and s is a reflexion about a line passing trough a vertex and the origin.

Let<s> and <r> be two subgroups of Dm.

Is there a theorem that states that Dm = <r><s>

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Thanks for the help
There is no theorem needed. If you look at the representation ##D_m=\langle r,s\,|\,r^m=s^2=srsr=1 \rangle ## then can you say whether all words over the alphabet ##\{\,r,s\,\}## can be written as ## r^k \cdot 1## or ##r^k\cdot s\,?## Or what do you mean by ##\langle r\rangle \langle s\rangle\,?##

As groups, and if you consider ##\langle r\rangle \langle s\rangle = \langle r\rangle \times \langle s\rangle## as a direct product, then this is not true. One of those subgroups is not normal.
 
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fresh_42 said:
There is no theorem needed. If you look at the representation ##D_m=\langle r,s\,|\,r^m=s^2=srsr=1 \rangle ## then can you say whether all words over the alphabet ##\{\,r,s\,\}## can be written as ## r^k \cdot 1## or ##r^k\cdot s\,?## Or what do you mean by ##\langle r\rangle \langle s\rangle\,?##

As groups, and if you consider ##\langle r\rangle \langle s\rangle = \langle r\rangle \times \langle s\rangle## as a direct product, then this is not true. One of those subgroups is not normal.

Thanks again for the response you rock.
You made me realize I was not on the right track. But I think I found it. Thanks!

By the way, it would probably be easier if I wrote the whole problem I'm working on but I'm concerned about plagiarism since this is an assignment haha.
 

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