Subspace Addition: Understanding the Union of A and B

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the sum of two subspaces, denoted as A + B, and the union of those subspaces, A ∪ B. Participants explore definitions and properties of subspaces within the context of vector spaces, particularly in \(\mathbb{R}^3\), and seek to clarify the meanings of these operations.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether A + B is equivalent to A ∪ B, suggesting that the union of two subspaces is not a subspace unless one is contained within the other.
  • Others propose that A + B represents the set of all sums of vectors from each subspace, indicating a different mathematical structure than the union.
  • One participant outlines the properties of subspaces in \(\mathbb{R}^3\), including containing the zero vector and being closed under addition and scalar multiplication.
  • There is a suggestion that while A + B is not generally equal to A ∪ B, it does include A ∪ B, and that the span of A ∪ B equals A + B.
  • Another participant clarifies that the intersection of (A + B) with another subspace C represents the set of vectors that belong to both (A + B) and C.
  • One participant emphasizes the need to refer to definitions to understand the relationship between A + B and A ∪ B.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between A + B and A ∪ B, with no consensus reached on whether they are equivalent. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these definitions.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific properties and definitions of subspaces, but there are unresolved aspects regarding the implications of these definitions and the conditions under which certain statements hold true.

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I just wanted to know if subspace A + subspace B is the same as the "union of A and B".
 
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moonbeam said:
I just wanted to know if subspace A + subspace B is the same as the "union of A and B".

I never seen this notation. It does not really make sense because the union of two suspaces is never a subspace unless one is contained in the other. Perhaps, it means the set of all sums, each one from each subspace.
 
Ok, subspaces of [tex]\mathbb{R}^3[/tex] have the following properties: contain the zero vector, are closed under addition, and are closed under multiplication. Am I right?
So, say [tex]A[/tex], [tex]B[/tex], and [tex]C[/tex] are subspaces of [tex]\mathbb{R}^3[/tex]. Then, what would [tex](A+B) \cap C[/tex] mean?
 
moonbeam said:
Ok, subspaces of [tex]\mathbb{R}^3[/tex] have the following properties: contain the zero vector, are closed under addition, and are closed under multiplication. Am I right?
So, say [tex]A[/tex], [tex]B[/tex], and [tex]C[/tex] are subspaces of [tex]\mathbb{R}^3[/tex]. Then, what would [tex](A+B) \cap C[/tex] mean?

As per the definition of intersection, [itex](A+B) \cap C[/itex] is the set of all vectors that are both in [itex]A+B[/itex] and in [itex]C[/itex].
 
moonbeam said:
I just wanted to know if subspace A + subspace B is the same as the "union of A and B".

Not in general.
But A+B always includes AUB.
In fact, span(AUB) = A+B.

moonbeam said:
So, say [tex]A[/tex], [tex]B[/tex], and [tex]C[/tex] are subspaces of [tex]\mathbb{R}^3[/tex]. Then, what would [tex](A+B) \cap C[/tex] mean?

It would mean that you have in your hands a subspace of R^3.
 
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As pointed out in the posts above, one only has to go through definitions: for two subspaces A, B of V, you have A + B = [A U B] = {a + b : a [itex]\in[/itex] A, b [itex]\in[/itex] B}.
 
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