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The discussion focuses on various mathematical formulations related to the equation a^3 = b^3 + c^3 + d^3, exploring different families of solutions. Several examples are provided, demonstrating specific values for n and the resulting calculations that validate the equations. The conversation also references notable identities and conjectures in number theory, including those by Ramanujan and Euler. Participants share their findings and express interest in further exploration of these mathematical concepts. Overall, the thread highlights the complexity and intrigue of cubic equations and their relationships.
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Hello.

I contribute a small study:

For : a, b, c, d, e, n \in{N} / a^3=b^3+c^3+d^3+e^3

Family 1ª)

a=3n^6+3n^3+1

b=3n^6+3n^3

c=3n^4+2n

d=n

e=1^3

Example:

For \ n=1 \ then: 7^3=6^3+5^3+1^3+1^3

For \ n=2 \ then: 217^3=216^3+52^3+2^3+1^3

For \ n=3 \ then: 2269^3=2268^3+249^3+3^3+1^3

For \ n=4 \ then: 12481^3=12480^3+776^3+4^3+1^3

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Regards.
 
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Nice! Also, if I may add, the Boutin's identity :

$$(-a+b+c)^3 + (a-b+c)^3 + (a+b-c)^3 + d^3 = (a+b+c)^3$$

where $24abc = d^3$. Another found by Piezas :

$$\left (11x^2+xy+14y^2 \right )^3 + \left (12x^2-3xy+13y^2 \right )^3 + \left (13x^2+3xy+12y^2 \right )^3 + \left (14x^2-xy+11y^2 \right )^3 = 20^3 \left (x^2+y^2 \right )^3$$

Balarka
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Hello.:)

Another:

a=192n^6-576n^5+720n^4-288n^3-108n^2+108n+43

b=192n^6-576n^5+720n^4-288n^3-108n^2+108n-21

c=192n^4-384n^3+288n^2+32n-52

d=64n-32

e=64

Result:

For \ n=1 \ then \<br /> <br /> 91^3=27^3+76^3+32^3+64^3

For \ n=2 \ then \<br /> <br /> 2899^3=2835^3+1164^3+96^3+64^3

For \ n=3 \ then \<br /> <br /> 49939^3=49875^3+7820^3+160^3+64^3

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Regards.
 
Hello.:)

Another:

a=6n^3+1

b=6n^3-1

c=6n^2

d=1

e=1

Example:

For \ n=1 \ then \<br /> <br /> 7^3=5^3+6^3+1^3+1^3

For \ n=2 \ then \<br /> <br /> 49^3=47^3+24^3+1^3+1^3

For \ n=3 \ then \<br /> <br /> 163^3=161^3+54^3+1^3+1^3

...

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And, another:

a=192n^6-576n^5+720n^4-672n^3+468n^2+180n+91

b=192n^6-576n^5+720n^4-672n^3+468n^2-180n+27

c=192n^4-384n^3+288n^2-224n+76

d=-64n+32

e=64

Result:

For \ n=1 \ then \<br /> <br /> 43^3=-21^3-52^3-32^3+64^3

For \ n=2 \ then \<br /> <br /> 1603^3=1539^3+780^3-96^3+64^3

For \ n=3 \ then \<br /> <br /> 43939^3=43875^3+7180^3-160^3+64^3

...

...

Regards.
 
Hello.

Another small study, that I already brought into other forums. I share it with you.

It is referred to 4 elements.
Let \ a, \ b, \ c, \ d, \ n, \ p \in{Z}/ a^3=b^3+c^3+d^3

Succession family 1ª)

a=3n^3+3pn^2+2p^2n+p^3

b=3n^3+3pn^2+2p^2n

c=3pn^2+2p^2n+p^3

d=p^2n

Being "n" number of the sequence, and "p" the number that you want.

Regards.
 
Ramanujan:

$$\left (3x^2+5xy-5y^2 \right)^3 + \left(4x^2-4xy+6y^2\right)^3 + \left(5x^2-5xy-3y^2\right)^3 = \left(6x^2-4xy+4y^2\right)^3$$

A well-known is Euler's:

$$(p+q)^3 + (p-q)^3 + (s-r)^3 = (r+s)^3 $$

with $(p, q, r, s)$ being

$$\left ( 3(bc-ad)\left(c^2+3d^2\right), \left(a^2+3b^2\right)^2 - (ac+3bd)\left(c^2+3d^2\right), 3(bc-ad)\left(a^2+3b^2\right),-\left(c^2+3d^2\right)^2 + (ac+3bd)\left(a^2+3b^2\right) \right )$$

Another interesting phenomena is sum-of-consecutive-cubes being a cube, and a couple of years back I proved that $(0, 4)$ are the only solutions to $(a-1)^3+a^3+(a+1)^3=b^3$ using hard elliptic curve analysis.

Also, it is conjectured that the only $n$-tuples with the property that the $k$-th power of first $n-1$ is equal to $k$-th power of the other for some integer $k$ are $(3, 4, 5)$ with $(3, 4, 5, 6)$ for $k=3$, that is, $3^3+4^3+5^3=6^3$ and no other. All cases for $k \leq 5$ is proved, although I don't have a reference for that. See Erdos-Moser topic I have created in this forum.
 
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Hello.

Let \ a, \ b, \ c, \ d, \ n, \ p \in{Z}/ a^3=b^3+c^3+d^3

Succession family 2ª)

a=9n^4

b=9n^4-3p^3n

c=9pn^3-p^4

d=p^4

Being "n" number of the sequence, and "p" the number that you want.

Regards.
 
I just got hold of my copy of Perelman today, and here's the one :

$$(x, y, z, u) = (a + k\alpha, b + k\beta, c + k\gamma, -d - k\delta)$$

$$k = - \frac{a^2\alpha + b^2\beta + c^2\gamma + d^2\delta}{a\alpha^2+b\beta^2+c\gamma^2+d\delta^2}$$

Where $(a, b, c, -d)$ and $(\alpha, \beta, \gamma, -\delta)$ both satisfy the diophantine equation and are used as an initializing 'seed' here.

This is quite superior, indeed, as it not just generates tuples over $\mathbb{Z}^4$, but also over $\mathbb{Q}^4$. Looking at it, I believe it is plausible to conjecture

This solution over $\mathbb{Z}^4$ is complete.

Although much more general $\mathbb{Q}^4$ seems likely to be false, although a proof is lacking. I think I should mail this one to Piezas, don't know whether he have already seen this before...
 
Hello.

Let \ a, \ b, \ c, \ d, \ n, \ p \in{Z}/ a^3=b^3+c^3+d^3

Succession family 3ª)

a=9n^3-6pn^2+3p^2n

b=9n^3-6pn^2+3p^2n-p^3

c=6pn^2-3p^2n+p^3

d=3pn^2

Being "n" number of the sequence, and "p" the number that you want.

Regards.
 
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mathbalarka said:
I just got hold of my copy of Perelman today, and here's the one :

$$(x, y, z, u) = (a + k\alpha, b + k\beta, c + k\gamma, -d - k\delta)$$

$$k = - \frac{a^2\alpha + b^2\beta + c^2\gamma + d^2\delta}{a\alpha^2+b\beta^2+c\gamma^2+d\delta^2}$$

Where $(a, b, c, -d)$ and $(\alpha, \beta, \gamma, -\delta)$ both satisfy the diophantine equation and are used as an initializing 'seed' here.

This is quite superior, indeed, as it not just generates tuples over $\mathbb{Z}^4$, but also over $\mathbb{Q}^4$. Looking at it, I believe it is plausible to conjecture

This solution over $\mathbb{Z}^4$ is complete.

Although much more general $\mathbb{Q}^4$ seems likely to be false, although a proof is lacking. I think I should mail this one to Piezas, don't know whether he have already seen this before...

Hello.

I have much difficulty to assimilate this formula to a case study.

For example:

Let (a,b,c,d), \ / \ a, \ b, \ c, \ d \in{Z}/ \ a^3=b^3+c^3+d^3

Some results, of the following, arise with any of my formulas:

(9, 8, 6, 1), (172, 138, 135,1), (1010, 812, 791, 1), (505, 426, 372, 1)

(577, 486, 426, 1), (144, 138, 71, 1), (1210, 1207, 236, 1), (729, 720, 242, 1)

(2304, 2292, 575, 1), (5625, 5610, 1124, 1), (11664, 11646, 1943, 1), (21609, 21588, 3086, 1)

(904, 823, 566, 1), (8703, 8675, 1851, 1), (6756, 6702, 1943, 1), (3097, 2820, 1938, 1) ...

Regards.
 
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mente oscura said:
I have much difficulty to assimilate this formula to a case study.

I don't see why. Just pick up arbitrary seeds $a, \alpha, b, \beta, c, \gamma, d, \delta$ satisfying the intended equation and then do some calculation to arrive at another multiset. This is simply a binary operation acting over the multisets.

And if you come to analyze this one, you'll see how ingenious it is. And fortunately you came up with the issue, I completely forgot to mail it to Piezas! Let's see what he thinks.
 
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Hello.

Let \ a, \ b, \ c, \ d, \ n, \ p \in{Z}/ a^3=b^3+c^3+d^3

Succession family 4ª)

a=9n^3+6pn^2+3p^2n+p^3

b=9n^3+6pn^2+3p^2n

c=6pn^2+3p^2n+p^3

d=3pn^2

Being "n" number of the sequence, and "p" the number that you want.

Regards.
 

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