Sufficient conditions for a = lim inf xn

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The discussion revolves around sufficient conditions for a sequence \( x_n \) in \( \mathbb{R} \) to satisfy \( a = \liminf x_n \). Participants explore the implications of two conditions related to the sequence and its cluster points, as presented in a theorem from "Elementary Classical Analysis" by Marsden and Hoffman. The focus is on proving that \( a \) is a lower bound for the set of cluster points.

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Main Points Raised

  • Post 1 introduces the theorem and the conditions under which \( a \) is proposed to equal \( \liminf x_n \), noting the need to show \( a \) is a lower bound for cluster points.
  • Post 2 questions the validity of having a cluster point \( b < a \) in light of condition (i), suggesting a potential contradiction.
  • Post 3 explores the implications of setting \( e = a - b \) in condition (i), leading to the conclusion that all cluster points \( x \) must satisfy \( b \leq x \), but expresses uncertainty about the next steps.
  • Post 4 proposes using \( e = (a - b)/2 \) to demonstrate that all but finitely many \( x_n \) are bounded away from \( b \).
  • Post 5 concludes that using \( e = (a - b)/2 \) shows that \( b \) cannot be a cluster point, as it leads to a contradiction with the conditions provided.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants engage in a debate regarding the implications of the conditions for cluster points, with no consensus reached on the sufficiency of the arguments presented. The discussion remains unresolved as participants explore different approaches to the proof.

Contextual Notes

Participants rely on specific definitions and properties of cluster points and the behavior of sequences, but the discussion does not resolve the overall proof or establish a definitive conclusion regarding the conditions.

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This is part of a theorem which is left unproved in "Elementary Classical Analysis" by Marsden and Hoffman.

Let xn be a sequence in R which is bounded below. Let a be in R.

Suppose:

(i) For all e > 0 there is an N such that a - e < xn for all n >= N.

(ii) For all e > 0 and all M, there is an n > M with xn < a + e.

Show that a = lim inf xn.

(Definition: When xn is bounded below, lim inf xn is the infimum of the set of all cluster points of xn. If xn has no cluster points, then lim inf xn = + infinity. If xn is not bounded below, then lim inf xn = - infinity.)

I was able to use (i) and (ii) to show that a is the limit of a subsequence of xn, hence a is a cluster point. So to show that a = lim inf xn, it is sufficient to show that a is a lower bound for the set of cluster points. This is what I can't do. Any suggestions?
 
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Well, suppose b < a is a cluster point. Doesn't that give you a problem with (i).?
 
So I set e = a - b in (i) and get b < xn for all n>=N. I don't see the problem with this.

I think this implies all cluster points x satisfy b <= x, which means b <= a, but now I'm back where I started.
 
Try e = (a - b)/2. Can't you show all but finitely many of the xn are bounded away from b?
 
I think I get it now.

Setting e = (a -b)/2 in (i) gives (a + b)/2 < xn for all n >= N

==> (a - b)/2 < xn - b for all n >= N

==> no subsequence of xn can converge to b, since (a - b)/2 > 0

==> b is not a cluster point.


thanks!
 

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