Sum of series- Fibonacci numerator, geometric denominator

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The discussion revolves around the evaluation of a series involving Fibonacci numbers in the numerator and powers of two in the denominator. Participants explore methods for summing the series and establishing its convergence, including the use of Binet's formula and generating functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the series 1/1 + 1/2 + 2/4 + 3/8 + 5/16 + 8/32 + ..., noting the common ratio of the denominator is 2 but is uncertain about handling the Fibonacci numerator.
  • Another participant mentions the Fibonacci sequence's recurrence relation and suggests solving it to express the terms in a different form.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes the need to adjust the Fibonacci sequence to account for the powers of 2 in the denominator.
  • One participant proposes that the growth rate of the Fibonacci numbers is approximately 1.618, linking it to a formula for the sum of a continued fraction.
  • Another participant challenges the previous claim about the growth rate and the applicability of the formula for infinite sums, highlighting the condition |r|<1.
  • A participant introduces Binet's formula to express Fibonacci numbers in terms of n, suggesting this could simplify the series terms.
  • One participant derives a generating function for the Fibonacci series and evaluates it at x=1/2, concluding that the series has a value of 4.
  • Another participant agrees that the series converges to 4 but suggests using the integral test for convergence verification.
  • A participant unfamiliar with Binet's formula asks for clarification on its use for proving convergence.
  • Finally, a participant explains that Binet's formula can be used to replace Fibonacci numbers in the series, facilitating the application of the integral test.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various methods for evaluating the series and establishing convergence, but there is no consensus on the best approach or the validity of certain claims regarding the growth rate and convergence conditions.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference the conditions under which certain formulas apply, such as the requirement for |r|<1 in infinite sums, but these conditions remain unresolved in the discussion.

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I have a series presented to me that goes something like this- 1/1+1/2+2/4+3/8+5/16+8/32+... I am aware that it is a sum to inifinity problem and the common ratio of the bottom is 2 but I don't know what to do with the numerator.
 
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Hi Apollonian! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Since the numerator is the fibonacci sequence, it obeys the recurrence relation an+2 - an+1 -an = 0,

so solve that to get an = ABn + CDn :wink:
 
If the terms were 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8 (a Fibonacci sequence) it satisfies ##a_{n+1} = a_n + a_{n-1}##.

Comparing this with your sequence, you need to compensate for the powers of 2, so ##4a_{n+1} = 2a_n + a_{n-1}##.
 
the numerator increases at the rate of roughly 1.618, or more precicely, (1+sqrt(5))/2.
the general formula for finding the sum of such a continued fraction is
1/(1 -r)
so since r is (1+sqrt(5))/4...
can you solve from there?
 
phillip1882 said:
the numerator increases at the rate of roughly 1.618, or more precicely, (1+sqrt(5))/2.
the general formula for finding the sum of such a continued fraction is
1/(1 -r)
so since r is (1+sqrt(5))/4...
can you solve from there?

There are many things wrong with this.

Firstly, the rate is "roughly" r, not exactly r.
Secondly, that formula only works for infinite sums when |r|<1
 
replace the numerator with the Binet formula for the nth term of a Fibonacci series gives each term in terms of n.
[itex]\frac{(1+\sqrt{5})^{n}-(1-\sqrt{5})^{n}}{2^{n} \sqrt{5}}[/itex]
Multiplying that by [itex]\frac{1}{2^{n}}[/itex] yields each term as:
[itex]\frac{(1+\sqrt{5})^{n}-(1-\sqrt{5})^{n}}{2^{2n} \sqrt{5}}[/itex]
 
If f(x)=1+1x+2x^2+3x^3+5x^4+8x^5...
f(x)*x=1x+1x^2+2x^3+3x^4+5x^5...
f(x)*x^2 =1x^2+1x^3+2x^4+3x^5...
Then f(x)-x*f(x)-x^2*f(x)=1 , so f(x)(1-x-x^2)=1 , so f(x)=1/(1-x-x^2)
Your series is this function evaluated at x=1/2 , which has a value of 4.
Isn't that something? :)
 
The series has a value of 4 if it converges. To establish the convergence, I suggest using the integral test along with Binet's formula.
 
I have never used binets formula before so how would I use it to prove the convergence?
 
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Binet's formula is basically an expression with an unknown variable n, which, when you plug in a value for n, gives the nth Fibonacci number. Replacing the Fibonacci number in your series with Binet's formula puts the series in the condition of a perfect integral test.
 

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