Sum of two closed sets are measurable

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the measurability of the sum of two closed subsets A and B of R^d. Participants explore various approaches to demonstrate that A+B is a measurable set, particularly focusing on the concept of F-σ sets and compactness.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks assistance in proving that the sum A+B of closed sets A and B is measurable, suggesting that showing A+B is an F-σ set might be a useful approach.
  • Another participant proposes starting with the case where A and B are compact, arguing that A+B would then also be compact and can be expressed as a countable union of compact sets.
  • There is a concern raised about whether A+B is necessarily closed if A and B are closed, indicating a potential misunderstanding of the problem's requirements.
  • A clarification is made that the goal is not to prove A+B is closed, but rather to show it can be represented as a countable union of closed sets, linking this to the compact case.
  • A participant expresses interest in how to demonstrate that compactness is preserved under set addition, questioning whether an open covering argument would be appropriate.
  • Another participant suggests that using the property of sequences having convergent subsequences might be a quicker method to show compactness in A+B.
  • A challenge is raised regarding the assumption that every sequence in A+B has a convergent subsequence, questioning the validity of this conclusion based on the properties of sequences in A and B.
  • A follow-up question is posed about finding a convergent subsequence within the sum A+B, encouraging exploration of the implications of converging sequences from A and B.
  • A participant expresses gratitude for the insights provided, indicating progress in understanding the problem.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to prove the measurability of A+B, with multiple competing views on the methods to use, particularly regarding compactness and the properties of sequences.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the properties of closed sets and their sums, as well as the implications of compactness in the context of set addition.

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I tried very long time to show that
For closed subset A,B of R^d, A+B is measurable.

A little bit of hint says that it's better to show that A+B is F-simga set...
It seems also difficult for me as well...

Could you give some ideas for problems?
 
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Try showing that if A and B are compact, then A+B is also compact. Then in the general case where A and B are closed, can you see how to write A+B as the countable union of compact sets?
 
hmm.. I thought that if A,B is closed, then A+B is not necessarily closed...
 
That's true, but you're not being asked to prove that A+B is closed, you're being asked to prove that it's a countable union of closed sets. That's why you start with the case where A+B is compact. If A and B are compact instead of just closed, then A+B really is compact. Then you can use the fact that every closed set is a countable union of compact sets to prove that A+B is F_σ
 
Aha. I got your idea!
I'm now wondering how I can show the fact that compactness is closed under the set addition..

Is it better to use open covering argument?
 
Actually it's probably faster to use the fact that a subset of R^n is compact iff every sequence has a convergent subsequence.
 
hmm.. I'm not sure It is actually true that every seq in A+B has a convergent subseq.

assuring the exsitence of conv subseq in A and B does not implies so as well A+B... Isn't it?
 
A sequence in A+B is of the form [itex]\{a_n + b_n\}_{n\in \mathbb{N}}[/itex], where [itex]a_n\in A[/itex] and [itex]b_n\in B[/itex]. Can you find a subsequence such that [itex]a_{n_k}[/itex] converges and [itex]b_{n_k}[/itex] converges? What does that say about [itex]a_{n_k} + b_{n_k}[/itex]?
 
I got it. Thank you very much!
 

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