Measurable Sets: Proving Open Subsets of Closed Unit Square are Measurable

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The discussion revolves around the problem of proving that every open subset of the closed unit square is measurable. Participants explore various approaches to establish the measurability of these sets, including definitions and properties of outer and inner measures, as well as potential strategies for proof.

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  • One participant suggests using the definitions of outer and inner measures to show that they coincide for open subsets of the closed unit square.
  • Another participant proposes the use of cubes and the concept of compactness, questioning the definition of measurability being employed.
  • A detailed definition of measurable sets is provided, indicating that a set is measurable if its outer measure coincides with its inner measure, along with a theorem regarding the existence of an elementary set for measurability.
  • A later reply suggests proving the statement using arbitrary epsilon balls, noting that the intersection of the rational numbers with any open subset of the unit square is dense, which could facilitate a countable cover of the open subset.

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Participants do not reach a consensus on the approach to take, and multiple competing views and strategies remain present throughout the discussion.

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The discussion includes various definitions and theorems related to measurability, but lacks clarity on specific assumptions or theorems that may be necessary for a complete proof. The reliance on certain properties, such as compactness and the density of rational numbers, is also noted but not fully resolved.

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Problem. Let E be the closed unit square. Prove that every open subset of E is measurable.


I know that one way to show that a set, say A, is measurable is to show that its outer and inner measure coincide; another way is to exibit an elementary set B such that

[tex]\mu(A\Delta B)< \epsilon.[/tex]

However, I am not sure where to start. Any hints would be appreciated?
 
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i don't know, maybe use cubes and compactness? what is your definition of measurable?
 
mathwonk said:
i don't know, maybe use cubes and compactness? what is your definition of measurable?

A set is defined to be measurable if its outer measure coincides with the inner measure. If A is a subset of the unit square E, we say that

[tex]\mu^*(A)=inf\{\sum_{k}m(P_k): A\subset \bigcup_{k}P_k, \mbox{ it is taken over all subcovers and } P_k \mbox{ are rectangles} \}[/tex],

is the outer measure of A.

On the other hand the inner measure is defined as

[tex]\mu_*(A)=1-\mu^*(E-A)[/tex]

So, a set A is measurable if

[tex]\mu^*(A)=\mu_*(A).[/tex]

But then there is a theorem that says that a set A is measurable iff there exists some elementary set B, such that given any epsilon>0, we have

[tex]\mu(A\Delta B)<\epsilon.[/tex]

Also, an elementary set B, is defined to be a finite collection of pairwise disjoint rectangles.
 
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Anyone?
 
How about proving it for arbitrary epsilon balls? As QxQ intersected with any open subset of the unit square is dense, you can provide a countable cover of epsilon balls of any open subset of E. Countable unions of measurable sets are measurable.
 

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