Summation Sigma: How Can It Be Used?

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The discussion revolves around the use of the summation sign sigma (Σ) in mathematical expressions. Participants explore various applications of sigma notation, including its correct usage in summing sequences and its relevance in biological contexts. The conversation includes examples and questions about the limits and increments in summation.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the correct interpretation of the summation notation \sum_{k=3}^4 k^2, suggesting it represents a sum that includes terms beyond the specified limits.
  • Another participant clarifies that \sum_{k=3}^4 k^2 means the sum of k squared from k=3 to k=4, specifically 3^2 + 4^2.
  • Participants discuss the application of sigma notation in modeling biological processes, such as cell reproduction, using the example \sum_{k=0}^6 2^k.
  • There is a query about whether increments in summation can be other than 1, with an example given as \sum_{k=2}^4 \frac{k}{4} and a later correction regarding the limits of summation.
  • One participant inquires about using non-integer values, such as π, as limits in summation, which is met with skepticism regarding its validity.
  • Another participant suggests that using \pi in the summation could be expressed differently, leading to a discussion about notation and clarity.
  • There are multiple instances of participants correcting each other’s interpretations of summation limits and terms.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct interpretation of summation notation and its applications. There is no consensus on the validity of using non-integer limits or increments in summation.

Contextual Notes

Some participants demonstrate confusion regarding the limits of summation and the correct application of sigma notation, indicating a need for clearer definitions and examples. There are unresolved questions about the use of non-integer values in summation.

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(This is not a homework question!)

I have no education in this kind of math yet, but I wonder how many ways you are allowed to use the summation sign sigma. I can't seem to get a good explanation on google or wikipedia.

Since I like to try myself with tex, I will write an example of it here:

[tex]\sum_{k=3}^4 k^2[/tex] This will be a normal summation sign.

To see if I have got it right: [tex]k = 3[/tex] means that the k on the side of the sigma will start at 3, right?

If the sigma is raised to 4 like the one I have shown, it means that the k (3) will be added to a number 3+1, and then to 4+1, and then to 5+1. That the k is raised to the power of two, means that for each part of the serie, the number will be raised, like (3)^2 + (3+1)^2 + (4+1)^2... right?

I think this will be the same as: [tex]\sum_{k=3}^4 k^2 = 3^2 + 4^2 + 5^2 + 6^2 = 86[/tex]

Is this the correct use of the Summation?

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I have heard that it is used in biology to find out the number of cells that is being reproduced.
Let's say that we have a cell, and it has unlimited food, so it will reproduce in the rate of doubling each ten minutes. And we will watch it for one minute. That means that the cell and it's daughter cells will reproduce 60\10 = 6 times.
I found out that the only way that can be done is if you put it up like this:

[tex]\sum_{k=0}^6 2^k[/tex]

So I guess it would give us the right answer of how many cells that would be there.

[tex]\sum_{k=0}^6 2^k = 2^0 + 2^1 + 2^3 + 2^4 + 2^5 + 2^6 = 127[/tex]

The amount of cells that we will end up with, assuming none of them died, and assuming every cell reproduced itself each ten minutes, after one minute.

Is this a valid way of using the summation? If not, it should be :smile:
 
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Jarle said:
(This is not a homework question!)

I have no education in this kind of math yet, but I wonder how many ways you are allowed to use the summation sign sigma. I can't seem to get a good explanation on google or wikipedia.

Since I like to try myself with tex, I will write an example of it here:

[tex]\sum_{k=3}^4 k^2[/tex] This will be a normal summation sign, right?

To see if I have got it right: [tex]k = 3[/tex] means that the k on the side of the sigma will start at 3 right?

If the sigma is raised to 4 like the one I have shown, it means that the k (3) will be added to a number 3+1, and then to 4+1, and then to 5+1. That the k is raised to the power of two, means that for each part of the serie, the number will be raised, like (3)^2 + (3+1)^2 + (4+1)^2... right?

I think this will be the same as: [tex]\sum_{k=3}^4 k^2 = 3^2 + 4^2 + 5^2 + 6^2 = 86[/tex]

Is this the correct use of the Summation?

No; In words, [tex]\sum_{k=3}^4 k^2[/tex] means the "sum from k=3 to k=4 of k squared." So, this would be equal to 32+42.

I have heard that it is used in biology to find out the number of cells that is being reproduced.
Let's say that we have a cell, and it has unlimited food, so it will reproduce in the rate of doubling each ten minutes. And we will watch it for one minute. That means that the cell and it's daughter cells will reproduce 60\10 = 6 times.
I found out that the only way that can be done is if you put it up like this:

[tex]\sum_{k=0}^6 2^k[/tex]

So I guess it would give us the right answer of how many cells that would be there.

[tex]\sum_{k=0}^6 2^k = 2^0 + 2^1 + 2^3 + 2^4 + 2^5 + 2^6 = 127[/tex]

The amount of cells that we will end up with, assuming none of them died, and assuming every cell reproduced itself each ten minutes, after one minute.

Is this a valid way of using the summation? If not, it should be :smile:

This, however, is a correct use of the summation.

Note that the sigma notation is simply a shorthand way to write a long sum. To take a simple example, the sum 1+2+3+4+5+6 can be written in sigma notation as [tex]\sum_{n=1}^6n[/tex]
 
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Thanks! I see that the power you raise the sum to is the point where it stops, and not the number of times you add the number in. I understand it.

Is it possible to make the amount of increasment in each addition to be lower or higherthan 1? Example: Is it correct to use this kind if summation:
[tex]\sum_{k=2}^2 \frac {4}{k}[/tex] And that would be: 2/4 + 3/4 + 4/4 = 2.25

EDIT: I meant this

[tex]\sum_{k=2}^4 \frac {k}{4}[/tex] And that would be: 2/4 + 3/4 + 4/4 = 2.25


Or is another way to make the amount of increasment lower, higher or in different numbers, for example [tex]pi[/tex]

Is this allowed for example, single yes and no answer is fine:

[tex]\sum_{k= \pi}^3k[/tex]
 
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I'm not sure if I understand your question: That that use of the notation is fine, it would expand as [tex]\sum_{k=2}^8 \frac {4}{k} =\frac{4}{2} +\frac{4}{3}+\frac{4}{4}+\frac{4}{5}+\frac{4}{6}+\frac{4}{7}+\frac{4}{8}[/tex]
 
Sorry, I mispelled the sum up there. But I got my answer. Thanks.

But not on the last one. I wonder if it is possible to use [tex]\pi[/tex] instead of 1 as the rising on each addition. I guess it would stand like this:

[tex]\sum_{k= \pi}^3k[/tex]


which would equal: [tex]= \pi + 2\pi + 3\pi = 6\pi[/tex]
 
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Why not just write that one as:
[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{3}\pi{k}[/tex]
 
arildno said:
Why not just write that one as:
[tex]\sum_{k=1}^{3}\pi{k}[/tex]

Thanks :smile:

And how excactly do I find this on my calculator, sorry for asking this much, but we are not learning this at school...

I find " Sum( " on my TI-84 Plus calculator, and I read that it should be put up like this: [tex]\sum[/tex](K,K,1,10) (for example) But I don't know how.
 
How should I know how your calculator works??
Read the manual.
 
This sum [tex]\sum_{k=2}^4 \frac {4}{k}[/tex] does not equal 2/4 + 3/4 + 4/4, it equal 4/2 + 4/3 + 4/4.

I think you may be a little confused here. The limits on the sum (here k=2,...,4) means the first term in the sum has k=2, and then the next terms increase the value of k by 1 each time.

The summation notation means that we sum over integers k, starting with k=the lower limit, and ending with k= upper limit. It does not make sense to set the bottom limit to pi (since this is not an integer). If you wish to write the sum [itex]\pi + 2\pi + 3\pi = 6\pi[/itex] using sigma notation, then use arildno's suggestion above.
 
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arildno said:
How should I know how your calculator works??
Read the manual.

I thought everyone got that calc, universal calc or something... Nevermind then, I'll sort it out somehow :smile:

Anyway, I understand it now, thank you.
 

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