Summing Over n-th Roots: A Scientific Inquiry

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The discussion revolves around the mathematical inquiry of summing expressions involving n-th roots, specifically the sum of the form a*r^(1/n) and its relation to known summation formulas. Participants explore the possibility of finding a closed form solution for this sum and discuss related concepts such as symmetric functions and roots of unity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the sum a*r^(1/n) for all n, seeking a closed form solution.
  • Another participant suggests looking into symmetric functions in relation to the roots of the equation X^n - r = 0.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the relevance of symmetric functions, emphasizing the need for a closed form solution similar to the geometric series.
  • There is a question regarding the sum \sum_{k=0}^{n} a*r^(1/k) under the condition that |r| < 1.
  • A participant notes that the sum of roots of unity equals zero, prompting a follow-up about sums of roots of other numbers.
  • Another participant describes the n-th roots of a real number and poses a question about the implications of summing these roots.
  • There is an acknowledgment of a previous oversight by one participant, but another participant questions what exactly was overlooked, indicating a lack of clarity in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains multiple competing views and remains unresolved, with participants expressing different approaches and interpretations regarding the summation of n-th roots.

Contextual Notes

Participants have not reached a consensus on the methods or formulas applicable to the sum in question, and there are indications of missing assumptions or definitions that could clarify the discussion.

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Does anyone know how to sum a*r^(1/n) for all n?
 
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Well, if you mean the roots of the equation X^n-r = 0, you should look up symmetric functions.
 
I can't see how symmetric functions would help. I'm looking for a closed form solution for the given sum, in the sense that the infinite sum of a*r^n = a*(1-r^(n+1))/(1-r), I'm looking for the infinite sum of a*r^(1/n).
 
Could you write what you mean, rather than abbreviating it? I can't tell precisely what you mean, and my best guesses for what you mean are very obviously not convergent sums.
 
What does \sum_{k=0}^{n} a*r^(1/k) equal? Given that |r| < 1, a and r are constants.
In the sense that the geometric progression \sum_{k=0}^{n} a*r^k equals a*(1-r^(n+1))/(1-r).

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The sum of roots of unity is zero.
 
I know that, what about sums of roots of other numbers?
 
The n'th roots of any real number, say r, is [itex]r^{\frac{1}{n}} \zeta_n^k[/itex] where [itex]\zeta_n[/itex] is the primitive nth root of unity. So what will happen when you sum them?

Edit: [tex]0\leq k \leq n-1[/tex]
 
Thanks Kreizhn! should have noticed that myself =)
 
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Wait a second, what exactly should I have noticed? I'm summing over n not k.
 

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