Summing Positive Integers with 2^r3^s

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The discussion revolves around the problem of expressing every positive integer as a sum of numbers of the form 2r3s, where r and s are nonnegative integers and no summand divides another. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and exploration of potential proofs or approaches to the problem.

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  • One participant suggests using induction to prove the statement, noting the importance of ensuring that no summand divides another.
  • Another participant agrees with the induction approach and expresses appreciation for the idea.
  • A different participant challenges the induction method, providing a counterexample that indicates the approach does not work for all integers.
  • Another participant proposes recursion as a potentially effective method, mentioning a base case and hinting at conditions under which the problem may become simpler.

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Participants express differing views on the validity of the induction approach, with some supporting it and others providing counterarguments. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to prove the statement.

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Participants highlight limitations in the proposed methods, particularly regarding specific integers where the induction approach fails. There are also hints at conditions that may simplify the problem, but these remain unexplored.

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Show that every positive integer is a sum of one or more numbers of the form 2^r3^s, where r and s are nonnegative integers and no summand divides another.

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Using induction (1 = 20 30; assuming that k can be written in such a way, then so can k + 1) is the easy part.
You only need to exercise some care with the part that "no summand divides another."

So assuming that all k < n can be written as requested, suppose that you get two terms 2r 3s + 2r + r' 3s + s' and show that they can be written as 2a 3b + 2a' 3b' for appropriate a, b, a' and b'.
 
nice one man , exactly what i had in mind

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CompuChip said:
So assuming that all k < n can be written as requested, suppose that you get two terms 2r 3s + 2r + r' 3s + s' and show that they can be written as 2a 3b + 2a' 3b' for appropriate a, b, a' and b'.
Doesn't work. 1=2030 and 2=2030+1. How do you get from 2=2030+1=1+1 (illegal) to 2=2130 via this? This approach only works for a small number of elements k: 4 and 6, but not 2,3,4, or 7.
 
Recursion will work here, however. Just not in the simple way that CompuChip mentioned.

I don't know if this is homework, so providing an answer is not appropriate. Some hints are:
  • Recursion is a good idea, with an obvious base case of 1=2030.
  • Game over if n is divisible by 2 or 3 (why?)
That leaves the cases where n is not divisible by either 2 or by 3. I'll leave attacking these as an exercise to the OP.
 

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