Supernova Explosion near a black hole

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The discussion revolves around the effects of a supernova explosion occurring near a black hole, exploring theoretical implications, potential observational evidence, and the nature of interactions between the two astronomical phenomena. The scope includes theoretical considerations, conceptual clarifications, and speculative reasoning about black hole behavior and supernova ejecta.

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  • Some participants propose that a supernova explosion near a black hole could lead to some of the ejected material being accreted by the black hole, while most of it might travel away due to various trajectories.
  • Others argue that the black hole would simply grow larger as it absorbs material from the supernova, without transforming into a different state that would allow observation of its interior.
  • A participant questions the definition of "near" and the mass of the objects involved, suggesting that these factors significantly influence the outcome of the interaction.
  • There is speculation about the possibility of observing phenomena related to supernova explosions and black holes, with references to high-energy radiation bursts that could be linked to such events, though no definitive observations are cited.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about whether any phenomena have been directly observed that clearly demonstrate the interaction between supernovae and black holes.
  • One participant asserts that it is not possible to "overload" a black hole with matter, suggesting that while an accretion disk can grow, it cannot exceed the black hole's capacity in a way that would alter its fundamental nature.

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Participants generally do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the effects of a supernova explosion near a black hole and the implications for observational evidence.

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The discussion highlights uncertainties regarding the definitions of proximity and mass, as well as the limitations of current observational capabilities in determining the exact nature of interactions between supernovae and black holes.

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Ravi Prakash
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What would happen if there was a supernova explosion near a black hole ? Would it just sit there and absorb all the energy incident on it ? Or would it simply vaporize into elementary particles ? And if it does vaporize, could the remnants give us a clue as to the quantum state of matter inside a black hole ?
 
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It depends what you mean by 'near' and the mass of the two objects.
If you are thinking in terms of say one light year distance and objects in the order of a few solar masses, then some of the material ejected by the supernova will become accreted by and most likely absorbed by the black hole,
However most of the ejecta would travel on other vectors that do not lead to it being accreted by the back hole , though the black hole could influence it's trajectory.

This is assuming of course that material is ejected by the supernova in all directions.
If the explosion was non symmetrical, that could lead to either more of the matter being accreted by the black hole or less.
 
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If I understand your question correctly, you are asking what the effect would be on a black hole if a supernova went off somewhere near it, yes?

The answer to that question is: it would get bigger.
 
Thanks phinds for the more succinct description than mine.
I had not realized at first that the OP envisaged the supernova transforming the BH into a different state so that we could observe inside it.
 
rootone said:
It depends what you mean by 'near' and the mass of the two objects.
If you are thinking in terms of say one light year distance and objects in the order of a few solar masses, then some of the material ejected by the supernova will become accreted by and most likely absorbed by the black hole,
However most of the ejecta would travel on other vectors that do not lead to it being accreted by the back hole , though the black hole could influence it's trajectory.

This is assuming of course that material is ejected by the supernova in all directions.
If the explosion was non symmetrical, that could lead to either more of the matter being accreted by the black hole or less.
Has such a phenomena been observed ?
 
I don't know personally of any observation where this clearly is what happened.
However there are many observations of phenomena where we are not sure of exactly what happened, but the scenario described is a possible explanation.
Brief bursts of high energy radiation coming from a direction where nothing had been seen previously.
There are other possible explanations for those as well though, merging neutron stars for instance.

I doubt that there exists at this time any telescope having sufficient resolution to be certain precisely what has occurred when one of these radiation bursts is noticed, or the exact nature of the objects involved.
It's pretty well established though that some of these radiation bursts could arise from situations where a black hole has consumed a large amount some kind of matter.
 
Ravi Prakash said:
Has such a phenomena been observed ?
Like rootone, I don't know of any, but Google "black hole accretion disk".
 
I think you're asking if it is possible to essentially "overload" a black hole by "feeding it" too much matter.

No.

You could certainly have an arbitrarily large accretion disk, from the matter with enough orbital velocity to not fall into the BH immediately. That might be an interesting object. But you couldn't overload a BH. You would simply get a stronger burst of EM radiation as the increased matter compressed during its infall to the event horizon.
 

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