Superpoincarè algebra and generators: questions

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The discussion revolves around the Superpoincarè algebra and its generators, touching on concepts from supersymmetry (SUSY), representations of Lie algebras, and conformal field theory (CFT). The scope includes theoretical questions related to algebraic structures and transformations in physics.

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  • The participant expresses confusion about the derivation of the defining anticommutator for the Superpoincarè algebra and questions the notation used for indices.
  • There is a query regarding the nature of SUSY as a continuous transformation and its implications for mapping bosons to fermions.
  • The participant notes the existence of different kinds of generators for Lorentz transformations and seeks clarification on their relationship and representation types.
  • Questions are raised about the classification of representations in terms of direct sums and their significance.
  • The participant reports difficulties in deriving the conformal killing equation in CFT, specifically encountering an extra term in their calculations.
  • One participant suggests that the original poster may lack foundational knowledge necessary for understanding these advanced topics.
  • Another participant acknowledges their own understanding and expresses a desire for further answers to their questions.
  • Clarification is provided regarding the treatment of infinitesimal transformations and the significance of keeping only first-order terms in calculations.
  • There is a suggestion that the links provided contain answers to the participant's questions, particularly regarding the supersymmetric aspects.

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Participants generally express differing levels of understanding and familiarity with the topics discussed. While some provide guidance and resources, there is no consensus on the specific questions raised, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the participant's inquiries.

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Some participants indicate that foundational knowledge of the Poincarè group and its representations is necessary to fully engage with the advanced topics discussed. There are also indications of confusion regarding specific mathematical derivations and definitions.

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Hello everyone, I'm an high school student, but I try to study maths and physics at a decent level anyways. I have some questions to pose; to give you an idea of how could you guys answer me, i recently finished viewing David Tong's QED video lectures and notes, and I'm stuck at the CFT sections of his string theory notes. These are the questions:

1) Superpoincarè algebra:

I read in various references that the SUSY extension of the poincarè algebra is the simplest SUSY algebra one can get. I get why the generators have to be spinors, but nobody ever gives a derivation of the defining anticommutator

\left\{ Q_\alpha , \bar{Q}_{\dot \beta}\right\}=2\sigma_{\alpha \dot \beta}^{\mu} P_\mu

simply defining the SUSY transformation to be such and such. Also, why are dots on the \beta index? I read this is a type of notation, but I don't know its usefulness. How is SUSY a continuous transformation? Doesn't it map bosons (integer spin) to fermions (half integer) etc. in a ladder?

2) Infinitesimal generators of general lie algebras:

I think I can safely say to understand what generators are, but it seems there isn't an unique an precise way to compute them. I found various ways but, especially in case of SO(p,q) lorentz transformations, I'm confused because I found two different kinds of generators. The first are

M_{\mu \nu} = x_\nu \partial_\mu - x_\mu \partial_\nu

which are obviously related to angular momentum, and then the others are simply a basis for antisymmetric matrices, because imposing the lorentz condition on the metric with infinitesimal transformations one gets antisymmetric matrices. The generators above are in fact antisymmetric, but I'm talking about combinations of the Minkowski metric (you can see them in Tong's QED notes). What's the difference? Is the first one local and the second global or what? Is it because they belong to different representations?

3) Classification of representations:

I often find names of representations such as direct sums of (1/2, 0), (0,1/2), (0, 1), and also of "integers written in bold" as names. Why is that? What do they represent and what's the usefulness?

4) Derivation of conformal killing equation in CFT:

I think i understood the basics of CFT quite well, but when I try to derive the equation for flat space killing vectors

\partial_\mu \epsilon_\nu + \partial_\nu \epsilon_\mu = \frac{2}{d}(\partial \cdot \epsilon) \eta_{\mu \nu}

I get an annoying extra term. I start with equating the transformation of the metric (the generic one) with the infinitesimal conformal transformation. I get a quadratic term in derivatives of \epsilon which shouldn't be there; perhaps it is zero, because of orthogonality of different partial derivatives? I'd like to see a complete derivation.

Thanks in advance for responses, sorry if I disturbed you. :)
 
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I know, it's just that it's been a couple of years that I read books and followed video lectures, all the way from calculus to this stuff, and although It's kind of a basic understanding, I can tell you I was able to grasp the maths in this course

http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/tong/qftvids.html

I'm just trying my best, that is all :) as for the links you gave me, I get them but the first one contains one of my issues: you say 'solving 1.1' for the infinitesimal transformation: when I try to do that i get an extra term. I would like some answers anyways, if anybody wants :) I think I know something about the poincarè group, as for its representations, I just know something about the vector and the spinor one, that's the reason I asked those question in the first place.

edit: I just noticed there's much more than one post in the first link. I'll read that right now, thanks.
 
Transformations are called infinitesimal because they contain an infinitesimal numbers called parameters \epsilon. So, when doing calculation with infinitesimal transformations, we only keep terms that are first-order in the parameters. any thing multiplied by \epsilon^{2} get inglected because it is infinitesimally small.

regards

sam
 
Oh yeah, I didn't keep track of that. Thanks. I hope someone will answer the other questions :)

Also, the posts in the second link about representations are really clear, thanks a lot!
 
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rubbergnome said:
I hope someone will answer the other questions

The above mentioned links have all the answers you needed! The supersymmetric part of your questions does not change the general formalism, you just allow for anticommuting coordinates.

sam
 
After realizing that your links contain everything, my 'other questions' was really just referring to the first one. Now you answered that as well :) sorry to have bothered you.
 

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