Superposition of Phases: A Key Concept in Connecting QFT and Statistical Physics

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between quantum field theory (QFT) and statistical physics, particularly focusing on the concept of phase transitions and the idea of superposition of phases. Participants explore the implications of overlapping phases during second-order phase transitions and how these concepts are represented in both fields.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants reference Kenneth Wilson's work on renormalization as a bridge between statistical physics and QFT, noting the scale invariance at critical points during second-order phase transitions.
  • There is a question about the meaning of "overlapping" or "superposed" phases, with some suggesting that different phases can coexist at their boundaries.
  • One participant describes the critical point as a state where two similar phases balance, while contrasting it with first-order phase transitions where very different phases coexist.
  • Another participant mentions the homonymity of the term "phase" in both fields, indicating that QFT is often used to study criticality in statistical physics.
  • There is a discussion about a video illustrating critical points, with questions about the nature of fluctuations and domains at these points.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the interpretation of simulations showing domain shapes and the artistic representation of differences in density between gas and liquid at critical points.
  • A later reply speculates that the author may imply that at the critical temperature, the phases can be viewed as interchangeable in terms of their domain characteristics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a mix of agreement and disagreement regarding the interpretation of phases and their overlap. While some concepts are clarified, multiple competing views remain on the precise nature of phase transitions and the implications of superposition.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the potential for imprecision in terminology and the need for careful consideration of definitions when discussing phases in different contexts. There is also mention of unresolved questions regarding the representation of fluctuations in simulations.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying quantum field theory, statistical physics, or phase transitions, as well as individuals exploring the conceptual connections between these fields.

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Homework Statement: relation between qft and statistical physics
Homework Equations: domains with equal values

I read a french paper about Kenneth Wilson.
i translate several sentences (with google):

it was demonstrated in 1960 by Kenneth Wilson that renormalization formed an incongruous bridge between statistical physics and quantum field theory.
He connected the behavior of a system during a transition second-order phase to the behavior of a QFT field. More specifically, during the second-order phase transition, two phases of matter overlap, which leads to
scale invariance at the critical point.

My question is about this overlapping. the french word is "superpose"

How can phases overlap or be superposed? superposition is used in qft but here what does it mean?
 
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Heidi said:
Homework Statement: relation between qft and statistical physics
Homework Equations: domains with equal values

I read a french paper about Kenneth Wilson.
i translate several sentences (with google):

it was demonstrated in 1960 by Kenneth Wilson that renormalization formed an incongruous bridge between statistical physics and quantum field theory.
He connected the behavior of a system during a transition second-order phase to the behavior of a QFT field. More specifically, during the second-order phase transition, two phases of matter overlap, which leads to
scale invariance at the critical point.

My question is about this overlapping. the french word is "superpose"

How can phases overlap or be superposed? superposition is used in qft but here what does it mean?
The word 'phase' in statistical physics can mean a phase of matter such as solid, liquid, vapour or plasma. Naturally in QFT it means something different.

Different phases of matter can co-exist at their boundary and this is sometimes called a superposition. See for instance Rao, Statistical Physics and Thermodynamics, Oxford ( 2017), chapter 8.
 
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thanks. I can understand that there are domains separated by walls in which the phases overlap. What is happening a the critical point for the walls and the domains?
 
Heidi said:
What is happening a the critical point for the walls and the domains?
It is greatly illustrated in this video:


(I have found the link to this video in the lectures by Tong on Statistical Field Theory.)
 
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Is it a simulation on a computer?
 
Heidi said:
More specifically, during the second-order phase transition, two phases of matter overlap, which leads to
scale invariance at the critical point.

I think even at best this is very imprecise phrasing. It is often useful to think of a first-order or discontinuous phase transition as a region where two (generically very different) phases coexist. These transitions are not scale invariant and not described by QFT or RG, but I would say that in these systems two phases of matter are overlapping.

In contrast, as continuous or critical phase transitions, the thermodynamic properties of the system change continuously (but still with non-analyticities), so this only happens between phases that are somehow "similar." I like to think of the critical state to be like a phase in itself (and in fact there are stable phases with scale invariance). It's kind of like a balancing act between two very similar phases - see the nice video posted by Demystifier.

Mentz114 said:
The word 'phase' in statistical physics can mean a phase of matter such as solid, liquid, vapour or plasma. Naturally in QFT it means something different.
I've never encountered a difference between the use of the word in those two fields. After all, QFT is one of the primary tools used in statistical physics to study criticality, and it is also common to consider QFTs at finite temperature where one needs statistical physics anyways.
 
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Naturally in QFT it means something different.
I've never encountered a difference between the use of the word in those two fields. After all, QFT is one of the primary tools used in statistical physics to study criticality, and it is also common to consider QFTs at finite temperature where one needs statistical physics anyways.
In the text "Quantum Field Theory" by Itzykson & Zuber (1985) the word 'phase' has 3 entries in the index referring to 'phase space' and 'phase shifts'.
 
Mentz114 said:
In the text "Quantum Field Theory" by Itzykson & Zuber (1985) the word 'phase' has 3 entries in the index referring to 'phase space' and 'phase shifts'.
Yes, the word is a homonym (and any statistical physics book will discuss phase space too). I'm not familiar with that textbook; it's a shame that it doesn't treat such an interesting aspect of quantum field theory. Perhaps I can recommend the following excellent textbooks which all treat phase diagrams and phase transitions of quantum field theories in detail:

Peskin & Schroeder - An Introduction to Quantum Field Theory
Zinn-Justin - Quantum Field Theory and Critical Phenomena
Polyakov - Gauge Fields and Strings
Kleinert - Critical properties of ##\phi^4## theories
 
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I wonder what is to be seen in the video given by Demystifier.
In the middle or the screen we have the case of the critical point. there are fluctuations at every scale. but fluctuations of what? At a given moment when water is boiling i can see gas bubbles with various sizes.
But at the critical point things become opalescent. gas ans liquid have the same density. So what are the domains in the video at the critical point (and at a greater temperature in the 3d screen)?
 
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Heidi said:
Is it a simulation on a computer?
Yes.
 
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can we say that the simulation shows the shape of the domains in the three screens with artistic contrast between them even when the difference of densities between gas and liquid tends to zero?
 
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Heidi said:
can we say that the simulation shows the shape of the domains in the three screens with artistic contrast between them even when the difference of densities between gas and liquid tends to zero?
I guess we can.
 
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it is possible that the sentence written by the author means that when we look at an equal volume in the two phases we see (at Tc) the same thing. same percentage for every lenth of domains etc. they can be superposed in this sense (they can be swapped).
 
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