Supporters of the war: what will it take for you to sign up for the military?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the motivations and reasoning of individuals who support military action but have not enlisted in the military. Participants explore the implications of supporting a war without personal involvement, the perception of war in society, and the potential need for more troops in conflict zones like Iraq. The conversation touches on personal experiences with military service and the broader societal attitudes towards war.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion over why supporters of the war, particularly those who are young and fit, do not enlist, suggesting a disconnect between belief and action.
  • One participant argues that war is often romanticized in popular culture, leading to a misunderstanding of its realities, which may affect people's willingness to serve.
  • Another participant emphasizes that personal experiences, such as knowing someone in the military, can shape one's views on the war differently than those who are more distanced from it.
  • Concerns are raised about the effectiveness of increasing troop numbers if those troops are not allowed to engage fully in combat, questioning the rationale behind calls for more soldiers.
  • Some participants share their military backgrounds, indicating that they would consider serving again under certain conditions, while others argue that prior service should be sufficient commitment to the country.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally do not reach a consensus, as multiple competing views remain regarding the motivations for supporting the war without enlisting, the nature of military service, and the effectiveness of current military strategies.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the motivations of individuals who support the war, the definitions of commitment to service, and the complexities of military engagement strategies that remain unresolved.

  • #31
tumor said:
Sorry for butting in again and bursting your bubble.
You going to go for their country(Israel),or for their(rich).
More cannon fodder is alwys needed.Please join.

Your grammar is incorrect to the point of incoherence.
Rephrase and maybe I'll answer...
 
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  • #32
The problem is that, at this point, I don't think more troops or a more aggressive approach will help-- the U.S. has already long lost the political "hearts & minds" battle, so even if you level every mosque and kill every insurgent today, tomorrow there will be a new insurgency. Sending the National Guard which is in principle designed as a stateside, peacetime organization to battle with the most deadly terrorists on Earth is obviously stupid. The result is that the National Guard has failed to meet is recruitment goals this year. Is that a problem? I don't think so, because essentially the insurgency is losing the military battle, and the U.S. is winning. However, we're clearly losing the political battle; the result will be a united Shiite Islamic state (uniting Iran & part of Iraq). Also, if the U.S. is ever seriously threatened outside of Iraq, the military will be unable to respond except with overwhelming force (i.e. nuclear weapons as opposed to paratroopers & tanks)
 
  • #33
First, sorry Phatmonkey for my rant back there, it was late at night very tired.
Well guys... I think Iraq situation will settle rather nicely in few upcoming years,some bombings and head cuttings will remain but on the whole Iraq going to become something like Egypt.
Iraq simply needs strongman like Saddam was before the war and with USA army in their newly build bases in Iraqi desert, situation will never slip out of controll.
As to the Iraqi people, yes they hate Americans but they love dollars, and iraqis went thru hell like this when they fought Iranians so they going to recover.
My only worry is that little,armed with nukes, unpredictiable country on the shores of mediterranean sea,
 
  • #34
BobG said:
Boy, are you naive. You don't know anything about the military, at all.

Umm, I do know that if I want to be a JAG, I need a JD. What's so naive about that?
 
  • #35
I think I heard in the news this morning, that the Marines are requesting re-enlistment.
 
  • #36
Hasn't every branch of the military been requesting re-enlistment for the past two years? Maybe we should start training death-row inmates and lifers to perform suicide missions (kidding, of course).
 
  • #37
loseyourname said:
Maybe we should start training death-row inmates and lifers to perform suicide missions (kidding, of course).

Great idea! fight fire with fire!
 
  • #38
loseyourname said:
Hasn't every branch of the military been requesting re-enlistment for the past two years? Maybe we should start training death-row inmates and lifers to perform suicide missions (kidding, of course).
Glad you're kidding.

Perhaps the other branches have been calling for re-enlistment too, but the Marines just announced a raised pay package for re-enlistees (sometime this weekend). I just brought this up since I heard it in the news today...nothing more.
 
  • #39
I would probably sign up if I were told the truth alone about why I should go to war, people who have been through war have a degree of that understanding but sometimes we never do things because we never had to do them, but then if the truth were told by someone like the president with a title and cameras I have a feeling 99% of the most bastard youth would not sign up. Otherwise, I would probably half dodge a draft or move to another country, after all I might want to be president someday and the past 3 have been good role models yes no? Maybe there in lies the real problem, when the system is so saturated with corruption that the president of today is the son of the president of yesterday in a "free and democratic society" it is finished, enjoy while it lasts. I support the war, I pay taxes.
 
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  • #40
I am 19, and if I was not in school I would probably join the marines and go fight in Iraq (or wherever I was needed). I would also have no problem being drafted. I do not support the war by the way.
 
  • #41
In that case I am forced to generalize you as one of the many over-patriotic westerners, I will never risk my life for my Government, it's not worth dying for.
 
  • #42
None of you are going to the war. :cry: We don't want to lose any of you.
 
  • #43
tumor said:
I don't need lessons from you.In my post about military there was nothing offensive, just valid observation.

Aparently you do need lessons, since the post you made before the above one was most obviously a personal attack. Ad Hominems are one thing, but you weren't even out to make a case against his argument; you just felt the need to be insulting. Trying to deny what obviously occurred would be uniwse.
 
  • #44
Gokul43201 said:
Perhaps the other branches have been calling for re-enlistment too, but the Marines just announced a raised pay package for re-enlistees (sometime this weekend). I just brought this up since I heard it in the news today...nothing more.
Every branch of the military always tries to get people to re-enlist. Obviously, experience makes for better soldiers/sailors/marines.
 

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