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The discussion centers on Theorem 2.1.45 from Houshang H. Sohrab's "Basic Real Analysis" (Second Edition), specifically addressing the Supremum Property, the Archimedean Property, and the Nested Intervals Theorem. Participants clarify the logic behind the conditions that either $$k_{n+1} = 2k_n$$ or $$k_{n+1} = 2k - 1$$, and why $$I_{n+1} \subset I_n$$ holds true. The proof involves dividing the real line into subintervals of length $$1/2^n$$, determining upper bounds for a set $$S$$, and refining intervals based on these bounds. The conversation emphasizes understanding the proof's structure and the implications of interval containment.

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I am reading Houshang H. Sohrab's book: "Basic Real Analysis" (Second Edition).

I am focused on Chapter 2: Sequences and Series of Real Numbers ... ...

I need help with another issue/problem with Theorem 2.1.45 concerning the Supremum Property (AoC), the Archimedean Property, and the Nested Intervals Theorem ... ...

Theorem 2.1.45 reads as follows:View attachment 7171
View attachment 7172In the above proof by Sohrab, we read the following:

" ... ... Thus while (by definition) $$s + \frac{k_n}{2^n} = s + \frac{2 k_n}{ 2^{n + 1} }$$ is an upper bound of $$S, s + \frac{ 2 k_n - 2 }{ 2^{n + 1} } = s + \frac{k_n - 1 }{2^n}$$ is not. Therefore, either $$k_{ n+1 } = 2k_n$$ or $$k_{ n+1 } = 2k - 1$$ and $$I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n$$ follow. ... ... "I am uncertain and somewhat confused by the logic of the above ...

I am not sure of the argument that either $$k_{ n+1 } = 2k_n$$ or $$k_{ n+1 } = 2k - 1$$ ... can someone please explain in simple terms why it is valid ... ..

I am also not sure exactly why $$I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n$$ ... if anything it seems that $$I_{ n + 1 } = I_n$$ ... again, can someone please explain in simple terms why $$I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n$$ ... that is that $$ I_{ n + 1 }$$ is a proper subset of $$I_n$$ ...[ ***EDIT*** Just checked and found that Sohrab is using $$\subset$$ in the sense which includes equality ... so using $$\subset$$ as meaning $$\subseteq$$ ... ]
Help will be appreciated ...

Peter
==========================================================================================The above theorem concerns the Supremum Property, the Archimedean Property and the Nested Intervals Theorem ... so to give readers the context and notation regarding the above post I am posting the basic information on these properties/theorems ...
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Peter said:
I am not sure of the argument that either $$k_{ n+1 } = 2k_n$$ or $$k_{ n+1 } = 2k - 1$$ ... can someone please explain in simple terms why it is valid ... ..

I am also not sure exactly why $$I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n$$ ... if anything it seems that $$I_{ n + 1 } = I_n$$ ... again, can someone please explain in simple terms why $$I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n$$ ... that is that $$ I_{ n + 1 }$$ is a proper subset of $$I_n$$ ...
See my comment on your http://mathhelpboards.com/analysis-50/supremum-property-aoc-archimedean-property-nested-intervals-theorem-22069.html#post99642. The way this proof works in that you divide the real line into subintervals of length $1/2^n$ and you locate the subinterval $I_n$ in which $\sup(S)$ (if it exists) must lie. You then increase $n$ to $n+1$, so that you are looking at intervals of half the previous length.

You know that the upper end of $I_n$, namely $s+ \frac{k_n}{2^n} = s + \frac{2k_n}{2^{n+1}}$, is an upper bound for $S$, but that the lower end of $I_n$, namely $s+ \frac{k_n-1}{2^n} = s + \frac{2k_n-2}{2^{n+1}}$, is not an upper bound for $S$.

Now look at the midpoint of $I_n$, namely $s+ \frac{2k_n-1}{2^{n+1}}$. Either that is an upper bound for $S$ or it is not. If it is, then we can take the lower half of $I_n$ to be $I_{n+1}$. If it is not, then we can take the upper half of $I_n$ to be $I_{n+1}$.
 
Opalg said:
See my comment on your http://mathhelpboards.com/analysis-50/supremum-property-aoc-archimedean-property-nested-intervals-theorem-22069.html#post99642. The way this proof works in that you divide the real line into subintervals of length $1/2^n$ and you locate the subinterval $I_n$ in which $\sup(S)$ (if it exists) must lie. You then increase $n$ to $n+1$, so that you are looking at intervals of half the previous length.

You know that the upper end of $I_n$, namely $s+ \frac{k_n}{2^n} = s + \frac{2k_n}{2^{n+1}}$, is an upper bound for $S$, but that the lower end of $I_n$, namely $s+ \frac{k_n-1}{2^n} = s + \frac{2k_n-2}{2^{n+1}}$, is not an upper bound for $S$.

Now look at the midpoint of $I_n$, namely $s+ \frac{2k_n-1}{2^{n+1}}$. Either that is an upper bound for $S$ or it is not. If it is, then we can take the lower half of $I_n$ to be $I_{n+1}$. If it is not, then we can take the upper half of $I_n$ to be $I_{n+1}$.
Thanks Opalg ... indeed, thanks to you I am beginning to really understand the proof ...

Most grateful ...

Peter
 

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