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The discussion revolves around Theorem 2.1.45 from Houshang H. Sohrab's "Basic Real Analysis," specifically addressing the Supremum Property and related concepts. The confusion arises regarding the conditions that lead to either k_{n+1} equaling 2k_n or 2k_n - 1, and the relationship between the intervals I_{n+1} and I_n. It is clarified that k_{n+1} must be greater than 2k_n - 2 but less than or equal to 2k_n, leading to the specified integer outcomes. Additionally, the notation I_{n+1} being a subset of I_n is confirmed to include equality, which resolves the initial uncertainty. Overall, the explanations provided help clarify the logical structure of the theorem and its implications.
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I am reading Houshang H. Sohrab's book: "Basic Real Analysis" (Second Edition).

I am focused on Chapter 2: Sequences and Series of Real Numbers ... ...

I need help with another issue/problem with Theorem 2.1.45 concerning the Supremum Property (AoC), the Archimedean Property, and the Nested Intervals Theorem ... ...

Theorem 2.1.45 reads as follows:
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In the above proof by Sohrab, we read the following:

" ... ... Thus while (by definition) ##s + \frac{k_n}{2^n} = s + \frac{2 k_n}{ 2^{n + 1} }## is an upper bound of ##S, s + \frac{ 2 k_n - 2 }{ 2^{n + 1} } = s + \frac{k_n - 1 }{2^n}## is not. Therefore, either ##k_{ n+1 } = 2k_n## or ##k_{ n+1 } = 2k - 1## and ##I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n## follow. ... ... "I am uncertain and somewhat confused by the logic of the above ...

I am not sure of the argument that either ##k_{ n+1 } = 2k_n## or ##k_{ n+1 } = 2k - 1## ... can someone please explain in simple terms why it is valid ... ..

I am also not sure exactly why ##I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n## ... if anything it seems to me that ##I_{ n + 1 } = I_n## ... again, can someone please explain in simple terms why ##I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n## ... that is that ##I_{ n + 1 }## is a proper subset of ##I_n## ... ...

[ ***EDIT*** Just checked and found that Sohrab is using \subset in the sense which includes equality ... so using ##\subset## as meaning ##\subseteq## ... ]Help will be appreciated ...

Peter
==========================================================================================The above theorem concerns the Supremum Property, the Archimedean Property and the Nested Intervals Theorem ... so to give readers the context and notation regarding the above post I am posting the basic information on these properties/theorems ...
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Math Amateur said:
In the above proof by Sohrab, we read the following:

" ... ... Thus while (by definition) ##s + \frac{k_n}{2^n} = s + \frac{2 k_n}{ 2^{n + 1} }## is an upper bound of ##S, s + \frac{ 2 k_n - 2 }{ 2^{n + 1} } = s + \frac{k_n - 1 }{2^n}## is not. Therefore, either ##k_{ n+1 } = 2k_n## or ##k_{ n+1 } = 2k - 1## and ##I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n## follow. ... ... "I am uncertain and somewhat confused by the logic of the above ...

I am not sure of the argument that either ##k_{ n+1 } = 2k_n## or ##k_{ n+1 } = 2k - 1## ... can someone please explain in simple terms why it is valid ... ..

I am also not sure exactly why ##I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n## ... if anything it seems to me that ##I_{ n + 1 } = I_n## ... again, can someone please explain in simple terms why ##I_{ n + 1 } \subset I_n## ... that is that ##I_{ n + 1 }## is a proper subset of ##I_n##
I assume you accept the statement that ##s + \frac{ 2 k_n - 2 }{ 2^{n + 1} }## is not an upper bound of ##S##. If not, this post won't help.

##k_{n+1}## is defined as the smallest ##m\in\mathbb N## such that ##s+k_{n+1}/2^{n+1}## is an UB for ##S##. We know that ##s+(2k_n-2)/2^{n+1}## is not an UB, therefore it must be too small to be an UB. So we must have ##k_{n+1}> 2k_n-2##.

How much bigger does ##k_{n+1}## have to be? We know that ##2k_n## is big enough. So ##k_{n+1}\leq 2k_n##.

The only integers ##m## that satisfy ##2k_n-2 < m \leq 2k_n## are those two the text names.
 
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Thanks Andrew ... now understand ...

Your post was most helpful ...

Peter
 
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