Supression ratio in classical conditioning

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The discussion revolves around the concept of the suppression ratio in classical conditioning, particularly its definition, calculation, and implications. Participants explore the mathematical formulation and its application in understanding conditioned responses.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the suppression ratio as the rate of responding in the presence of the conditioned stimulus (CS) divided by the sum of the response rates in the presence and absence of the CS, questioning the rationale behind the formula.
  • The participant provides an example calculation, expressing confusion over the resulting value and suggesting a misunderstanding of the concept.
  • Another participant clarifies that the shock is the unconditioned stimulus (US) and not the CS, referencing the definitions provided in the linked resource.
  • A different participant questions the timing of the CS presentation and the measurement of response rates in relation to the CS and US, seeking clarification on the original example.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants exhibit disagreement regarding the interpretation of the suppression ratio and the roles of the CS and US, with some seeking clarification on the definitions and calculations involved.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions about the timing of stimulus presentations and the definitions of the CS and US as they relate to the suppression ratio calculation.

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I think that if you're good at maths you'll be able to help me without having heard of this before, assuming you know about classical conditioning it's explained here; http://brembs.net/classical/suppress.html


The measure of the extent to which the CS suppresses responding is called the suppression ratio and is normally defined as being the rate of responding in the presence of the CS divided by the sum of the response rate in the presence of the CS and in the absence of the CS. If A is the response rate during CS and B is the response rate in the absence of the CS (usually measured immediately prior to CS presentation) then the suppression ratio is A/(A+B). With this formula a CS which completely suppresses responding will score 0.0, one that has no particular effect will score 0.5, a stimulus which elevates responding for some reason will score between 0.5 and 1.0. It just seems to me like they just randomly figured.. okay let's just multiply or divide or whatever until we get the numbers we want. I don't see why you would add how often the rat presses the lever without a shock to how often he presses it with the shock and then divide that by how often he presses it without the shock..

Let's say I am the one being conditioned and I make the response 583 times in 10 seconds normally, then you shock me for 10 seconds and I do it 80 times..
583/(583+80) = 1.1... That's would mean that it had increased the number of times I pressed responded.. What on earth..

I am definitely completely misunderstanding this somewhere along the way... help?
 
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Thanks for the post! Sorry you aren't generating responses at the moment. Do you have any further information, come to any new conclusions or is it possible to reword the post?
 
The shock is not the CS, but the US. CS and US are explained at the start of the link you gave.
 
I know that the shock is the unconditioned stimulus, where did I say it was conditioned?
 
From your link: "If A is the response rate during CS and B is the response rate in the absence of the CS (usually measured immediately prior to CS presentation) then the suppression ratio is A/(A+B)."

In your example, when is the CS presented, and when is "the absence of the CS"?
 

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