Survey: Scale IN Variance in Physics Education

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the portrayal of scale in physics education, particularly regarding the representation of celestial bodies and atomic structures. Participants explore the implications of scale variance in both professional and popular depictions, questioning the effectiveness of current educational practices.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern that physics education often fails to accurately represent scale, particularly in depictions of the Earth and moon, suggesting that this omission hinders understanding.
  • Another participant notes the practical difficulties in depicting vast differences in scale, using the solar system as an example where the sun would be smaller than a pixel if all planetary orbits were shown to scale.
  • A third participant highlights the extreme distances between electrons and the nucleus, illustrating that a textbook depicting these scales accurately would be impractically large.
  • One participant expresses a desire for more scale-appropriate descriptions in educational materials, indicating a preference for enhanced visualizations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the challenges of accurately portraying scale in physics education, but there is no consensus on how to effectively address these challenges or the importance of incorporating such representations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the practical constraints of visual representation, the varying scales involved in different physical systems, and the potential impact of these representations on understanding complex concepts.

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Hello, I consider myself an up-and-comer theoretical physicist (although getting a bit of a late start), and there's something that continues to trouble me about the way physics is taught both professionally and popularly, and I want to survey how others feel about the issue.

The issue is the portrayal of scale. For example, we always see the moon right next to the Earth in almost every depiction. Perhaps even more famously are the depictions of the scales of electron orbitals and the relative sizes of particles. I know the short argument is that it is impractical to portray the actual scale variances in these depictions. Even so, rarely do educators ever even try to sidebar a visualization of these scale differences which I think have seminal importance in understanding these systems.

For example, I just recently came across this scale appropriate depiction of the earth-moon radius and the subsequent scale appropriate transmission of light.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/Speed_of_light_from_Earth_to_Moon.gif

Before seeing this, I basically had to guess this. Is it so hard for educators to incorporate these types of desciptions into their presentations? Am I alone here?
 
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In many cases, the scales involved are so different that it is hard to draw everything to scale.

Just take our solar system as an example: In an image where you see all planetary orbits on a screen, even sun would be smaller than a pixel. And on a scale where the sun fills the screen, Earth (1/100) and moon (1/500) are like that: O .[/size] (with more distance in between) - but at a distance of ~150 screens from the sun.
 
In perspective, the electrons exist very far from the nucleus. If you were to draw in a textbook a nucleus the size of a golf ball, and show correct distance relationship between it and its electrons, your textbook would need to be 2.5 kilometers long!...that would make an expensive textbook!
 
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Thanks, it would be great to have more descriptions like those in the textbooks I've been reading.
 

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