Surviving on Mouth-to-Mouth Resuscitation: The Role of Exhaled Oxygen

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The discussion centers around the viability of sustaining a person solely through mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, particularly focusing on the oxygen content in exhaled air and the implications of carbon dioxide buildup. Participants explore the physiological effects of exhaled air on the body, the conditions under which mouth-to-mouth may be effective, and the potential risks associated with prolonged use of this method.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that exhaled air contains about 17% oxygen, suggesting that it may be sufficient for short-term survival.
  • Others argue that mouth-to-mouth resuscitation is not equivalent to normal breathing, as it involves using the lungs as an air pump, which may alter the effectiveness of oxygen delivery.
  • Concerns are raised about the buildup of carbon dioxide during mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, which could lead to acidosis in the blood, potentially causing harm to the patient.
  • One participant questions how long it would take for acidosis to become a concern if artificial respiration is administered immediately after breathing stops, such as in cases of drug overdose.
  • Another participant highlights that while acidosis may increase respiration, it can also depress central nervous system activity, leading to severe outcomes.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the effectiveness and safety of mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, particularly regarding the implications of carbon dioxide buildup and the duration for which it may be effective. There is no consensus on the maximum time a person could survive solely on exhaled air or the exact timeline for acidosis to become a critical issue.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various conditions and scenarios that could affect the outcomes of mouth-to-mouth resuscitation, including the state of the heart and the presence of substances like pentobarbital. The discussion reflects uncertainties regarding the physiological responses to prolonged exhaled air exposure.

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Just wondering if their is a maximum time a person could survive solely on air provided by another person giving them mouth-to-mouth. I've read a little on the subject, and it seems like there is enough oxygen left in a person's exhalations to keep someone alive for as long as mouth-to-mouth is required, but I just wanted to make sure.

Wiki says there is about 17% oxygen content in an exhaled breath since the the body only uses about 4 of the 21% oxygen in the air.
 
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Drakkith said:
Wiki says there is about 17% oxygen content in an exhaled breath since the the body only uses about 4 of the 21% oxygen in the air.

Under what conditions? For "normal" breathing, your breathing rate adjusts to match your oxygen demand. AFAK the amount of CO2 in the exhaled air is one of the "signals" which controls the rate.

But mouth-to-mouth resuscitation isn't normal breathing - you are using your lungs as an air pump.
 
The problem isn't so much with the slightly reduced O2 that you are giving the patient, the problem is with the extra CO2 that you are breathing into them. The extra CO2 leads to acidosis in the blood, which is not good for the body. The sooner that you can start ventilating them with O2 rather than your exhaled breaths, the better.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000092.htm

With O2 and good ventillations and compressions, folks have survived in the 40's of minutes, but it's rare:

http://www.procprblog.com/56-year-old-man-is-alive-after-47-minutes-of-cpr-with-aed
 
mouth to mouth resuscitation means for continual of breathing although dec. breathing leads to respiratory acidosis
therefore amount of O2 in the other person continues breathing.
it advantages for only small interval of time until emergency services arrive !
 
berkeman said:
The problem isn't so much with the slightly reduced O2 that you are giving the patient, the problem is with the extra CO2 that you are breathing into them. The extra CO2 leads to acidosis in the blood, which is not good for the body. The sooner that you can start ventilating them with O2 rather than your exhaled breaths, the better.

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000092.htm

With O2 and good ventillations and compressions, folks have survived in the 40's of minutes, but it's rare:

http://www.procprblog.com/56-year-old-man-is-alive-after-47-minutes-of-cpr-with-aed

I wonder how long before acidosis is a concern. Let's say the heart is fine, and only breathing stops (say pentobarbital overdose) and one catches it exactly when breathing stops, so one only has to give artificial respiration until the drug wears off a bit (say 1 hour). Would acidosis be a concern over such a short period of time?
 
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acidosis will increase respiration so the breathing might continue but the disadvantage is that acidosis
depress CNS activity which may lead to coma and certain death.
 
Manish7 said:
acidosis will increase respiration so the breathing might continue but the disadvantage is that acidosis
depress CNS activity which may lead to coma and certain death.

What do you mean the breathing might continue?
 
i was taking a case of acidosis not talking about mouth to mouth resuscitation.
 

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