SVT Decomposition: Definition and Purpose

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The discussion revolves around the SVT decomposition in cosmology, specifically focusing on the definitions and implications of scalar, vector, and tensor perturbations. Participants explore the mathematical and physical interpretations of these perturbations, their representations, and the underlying principles governing their decomposition.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the definitions of scalar, vector, and tensor perturbations, seeking clarification on their mathematical representations and behavior under coordinate transformations.
  • Another participant provides definitions of scalar, vector, and tensor, emphasizing their independence from specific coordinate systems and their geometric interpretations.
  • A third participant explains the process of perturbation in cosmology, noting the challenge of working with general tensor components and the historical discovery of decomposing tensors into scalar, vector, and tensor components with distinct physical behaviors.
  • A later reply raises concerns about the representation of metric perturbations, questioning why certain terms depend on fewer scalar functions than expected and whether this implies a reduction in the degrees of freedom of the metric.
  • The same participant speculates about the number of important components in the metric and the degrees of freedom, suggesting that some components may not contribute to the physical description of the system.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the definitions and implications of the SVT decomposition, with some agreeing on the mathematical properties while others challenge the sufficiency of the representations used in perturbation theory. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views on the degrees of freedom in the metric and the nature of perturbations.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential misunderstandings of the definitions of perturbations, the dependence on specific coordinate choices, and the unresolved nature of the degrees of freedom in the metric. Participants do not reach a consensus on these points.

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Hi there, I am reading about inflation, perturbations and so on, and every book I read take the SVT decomposition as granted. Something like "every perturbation can be decomposed in Scalar, Vector and Tensor perturbations". I have 2 questions:

1) What is the definition of a Scalar, Vector and Tensor perturbation? is it just a perturbation that can be written with just 1 function (Scalar) 4 functions (Vector) and 16 functions (Tensor)? or it has to behave in some why when changing coordinates? Are the numbers I wrote right or they are 1, 3 and 9 (just the space components)?

2) Why every perturbation can be wrote as a sum of Scalar, Vector and Tensor perturbations?

Thanks!
 
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scalar, vector and tensor are all mathematical as well as physics terms.

-scalar is a change in magnitude only, although in physics its, a quantity that is independent of specific classes of coordinate systems
-vector is magnitude and direction, however their are numerous forms of vectors some include coordinate position
-tensors are geometric objects that describe linear relations between vectors, scalars, and other tensors, "In differential geometry an intrinsic geometric statement may be described by a tensor field on a manifold, and then doesn't need to make reference to coordinates at all. The same is true in general relativity, of tensor fields describing a physical property. The component-free approach is also used heavily in abstract algebra and homological algebra, where tensors arise naturally." cut and paste from last post wiki page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_(physics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vector_(mathematics_and_physics)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tensor_(intrinsic_definition)
 
Wikipedia has an article that goes over the details of how this works:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar-vector-tensor_decomposition

Here's my description of the above article.

Perturbations in cosmology are done by taking an "average" metric (generally the FLRW metric) and adding a general symmetric metric tensor to it. But a general tensor is hard to work with: it's got 10 independent components. You can get rid of four of these by choosing the right coordinates, but that still leaves 6 components to deal with, which is difficult to understand.

The trick, then, is writing these in a way that makes sense. What was discovered back in the 40's was that one particular way of decomposing the tensor results in three separate components with different physical behavior: two scalar components, a vector component, and a tensor component. The trick is that each component has mathematical properties such that it disappears when you calculate some quantities, splitting the three components nicely in different situations.

Does that help?
 
I have been reading your answers, wikipedia and so on. However, I am not sure if I understood it well. Let me ask you a simple question (probably it has a simple answer and it allows me to go on). In several places (ie the Tasi lectures) it says "lets write the more general perturbation of the metric" and then he writes a metric wher the 4 terms of the diagonal depend on only two scalar functions (psi for g(0,0) and only fi for g(1,1), g(2,2), g(3,3)). If it is "the more general perturbatin" shouldn't the diagonal depend on 4 scalar (or a vector with 4 elements)? Another way to make the question is, if the metric is defined by 10 functions, shouldn't the "morge general perturbation" be defined by 10 functions?

Thanks for your answers and thanks in advance for your help!

Ps: Let me guess the answer and if it is right you just have to say yes and that´s all. We can write g(1,1), g(2,2), g(3,3) with only fi because adding other two functions only changes the scales in the metric -it is the same physical system but measured with other rules-. Am I right? If this is the case, we have only 8 "important" components? How many degrees of freedom are in the metric? 10?, 8? (I think I've read somewhere that the real degrees of freedom is 6)

Thanks again
 
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