Symmetric difference in sets

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The discussion focuses on proving the equation (X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z for any sets X, Y, and Z, where ⊕ denotes the symmetric difference. Participants emphasize that the proof should demonstrate that symmetric difference forms a group operation, requiring three key properties: associativity, the result of a symmetric difference with itself yielding an empty set, and the result of a symmetric difference with an empty set returning the original set. The conversation includes attempts to articulate the proof using set notation and Venn diagrams, with suggestions for structuring the proof effectively. Ultimately, the conclusion is reached that the equation holds true based on these properties.
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Homework Statement



There is a symmetric difference in sets X & Y, X Y is defined to be the sets of elements that are either X or Y but not both
Prove that for any sets X,Y & Z that
(X\oplusY)\oplus(Y\oplusZ) = X\oplusZ

Homework Equations



\oplus = symmetic difference

The Attempt at a Solution


i can see it in the venn diagams, but I am not good at converting what i see into set statements this is my attempt in words

the symmetric difference of A and C is contained in the union of the symmetric difference of A and B and that of B and C because the symmetric difference of two repeated symmetric differences is the repeated symmetric difference of the join of the two multisets, where for each double set both can be removed.

i don't have a clue how to show that properly in subsets etc that why i need some help
 
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How did you define X\oplus Y in symbols??

You can split the proof up in this parts:
- Associativity: show that X\oplus (Y\oplus Z)=(X\oplus Y)\oplus Z
- Show that Y\oplus Y=\emptyset
- Show that Y\oplus \emptyset=Y

(this actually implies that \oplus forms a group operation). These three things together imply what you want to show, do you see that?
 
ok here is my revised attempt at the answer with your help:

In order to prove that (X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z you must imply that ⊕ forms a group operation this proof is split up into three parts

The symmetric difference is associative which means that
(X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z)= (Y⊕Y)⊕(X⊕Z) --I think that is correct?--
or X⊕(Y⊕Z ) = (X⊕Y) ⊕Z

The symmetric difference of the same set yields an empty set, Y⊕Y= ∅

The symmetric difference of a set and empty set yields a Y⊕∅= Y

so (Y⊕Y) = ∅
∅ ⊕(X⊕Z)= X⊕Z
hence for any sets X,Y & Z ,(X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z

THAT ALL CORRECT?
 
Uiiop said:
ok here is my revised attempt at the answer with your help:

In order to prove that (X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z you must imply that ⊕ forms a group operation this proof is split up into three parts

The symmetric difference is associative which means that
(X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z)= (Y⊕Y)⊕(X⊕Z) --I think that is correct?--
or X⊕(Y⊕Z ) = (X⊕Y) ⊕Z

Well, you're using commutativity here (which is fine, but you must first show that you can do that). IF you don't want to do that, then

(X\oplus Y)\oplus (Y\oplus Z)=X\oplus (Y\oplus Y)\oplus Z=X\oplus \emptyset \oplus Z=X\oplus Z

is also fine...

The symmetric difference of the same set yields an empty set, Y⊕Y= ∅

The symmetric difference of a set and empty set yields a Y⊕∅= Y

so (Y⊕Y) = ∅
∅ ⊕(X⊕Z)= X⊕Z
hence for any sets X,Y & Z ,(X⊕Y)⊕(Y⊕Z) = X⊕Z

THAT ALL CORRECT?
 
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